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Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by hnha »

cognivore wrote: post #95

"But on Tuesday, the director of the centre and others received an email threatening a "massacre style attack" if the talk proceeded." There is an inherit sexism even in the response to this. If this was an email threat targeting say, a kindergarden, or a presidential visit, there would be federal law inforcement coming down hard looking for the source of the email. The specter of "terrorism" would be most certainly…

Aren't most kindergarden workers female? Would there be no law enforcement if the president was female? I do not see any hint of the sexism you describe here.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by Crito »

untog wrote: post #104
bitJericho wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, that sounds like normal fear-mongering to me.

Not really. Even trained police officers often hurt bystanders when firing their weapons: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooti... If a trained cop does it, I think it is legitimate to be concerned about a member of the public firing their weapon, no matter what their intent.

I would put a very large amount of money on any randomly chosen civilian CCW holder outshooting any randomly chosen NYPD cop.

This is partially the fault of the cop, CCW holders tend to spend more time at the range than cops, but to a certain degree it isn't: The NYPD has foolishly required all of their (normally single-action) guns have a 12lb trigger pull on all trigger pulls (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/08/foghorn/nypds-choic...).

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by comrh »

hnha wrote: post #121
mturmon wrote: post #13

Her video series, which you can see on YouTube, is actually quite good and well-researched. You might disagree with her conclusions (I agree with them) but even if you disagree, you have to admit she's done a lot of legwork.

no, they are not. She is cherry picking examples, sometimes twisting the truth so it fits her agenda. See the Hitman example where she portrays violence against women as integral part of the game while you are in fact punished by the game for doing so. She also never properly cites research (please point me that is not true). If her videos were well researched and fair, maybe there would have never such a shitstorm.

> maybe there would have never such a shitstorm.

Nice. All this is totally her fault then.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by opendais »

hga wrote: post #101
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I legitimately cannot decide what scares me more, the thought of a mass shooting, or the thought of a bunch of "heroes" with a concealed carry cross-firing. Mark my words, one day a mass shooting will occur, someone will pull out their concealed carry, and a second concealed carry person will come around the corner and shoot the first (or the police will). Once there is panic and an unknown threat, adding more guns i…

You know, there's more than a bit of history with this, and it's never come to pass. For example, of all the recent mass shooting events, only one didn't happen in an ironically official "No Gun Zone", the Arizona congresswoman shooting. Turns out a concealed carrier showed up just as the shooter was getting wrestled to the ground. Surprise, surprise, he didn't shoot. So you're just libeling people like me. Who you c…

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/06/concealed_w...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/03/us-usa-guncontrol-...

I'd say the lack of basic gun safety skill among concealed weapons holders is sufficient evidence to be concerned. This is just in the last 3-4 months with a quick google search.

If I can't trust people with guns to reliably follow basic safety procedures [e.g. Both of these sound like someone had the safety off] with a weapon that can cause serious injuries why would I trust their fire discipline?

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by untog »

hga wrote: post #126
untog wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Even trained police officers often hurt bystanders when firing their weapons: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/bystanders-shooti... If a trained cop does it, I think it is legitimate to be concerned about a member of the public firing their weapon, no matter what their intent.

This is what happens when you extinguish a region's gun culture, as NY/NYC has done starting in 1911. You have "leaders" who both hate and don't understand guns and their use, outfit their men with poor tools (the infamous New York Trigger), and and those men's only experience with guns is very very limited training. Turns out citizens legally carrying concealed have a much better record. Given how anti-gun the MSM i…

I'm sorry, but that's total nonsense. A much better record of what? Citizens legally carrying concealed weapons are rarely called upon to fire weapons in stressful situations with dozens of bystanders, so they only have a "better record" of doing so by virtue of having no record at all.

"Gun culture" has absolutely nothing to do with trained police officers. New NYPD recruits go through 13 days of firearm training, and submit to semi-annual requalifications[1].

People with carry permits are never faced with the kind of stressful situation that an active shooter would provoke. It's utter lunacy to think that they would be able to stay calm and diffuse the situation.

[1] http://home2.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/training_nypd/firearm_ta...

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by drivingmenuts »

Crito wrote: post #110
kmfrk wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep; it was not the massacre threat but the refusal to deny concealed carry that prompted Anita to cancel her event. The title implies a wrong causality like that. I can't imagine attending an event where people could carry concealed weapon, even as completely average dude.

> I can't imagine attending an event where people could carry concealed weapon Have you ever been to America? If so, you have almost certainly already attended countless events where somebody in the audience had a gun. The staggering majority of the time there are no incidents, so it is easy to overlook this.

"Gun Owner Openly Carries Gun To Little League Game Without Incident" doesn't make for nearly as sensational a headline as "Thirty-Seven Massacred At Redbox Dropoff" and newspapers exist to tell us about sensational events.

I won't deny that there are responsible gun owners, but they're not a problem. The problem is that any nutjob can carry a gun and by the time he or she has demonstrated working knowledge of a safety and trigger, it's too late.

Even the nutjobs we know are nutjobs are allowed to carry.

And yes, there are people who carry as a condition of their job, even when they're not on the job. But they are somewhat answerable to some authority other than their own recognizance.

If someone can figure out how to spot the difference between an armed, responsible individual and an armed, irresponsible nutjob, that person will make a fortune.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by hga »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #106
bitJericho wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, that sounds like normal fear-mongering to me.

Then it should be easy to refute, right? Here's the scenario: People are screaming, someone is shooting, you don't know who. You see bodies on the ground, they're bleeding. Then you see someone come around the corner holding a handgun out, they are dressed like a student, you draw your concealed carry and out of fear for your own life you shoot that person. Turns out both you and them are concealed carry. Opps. Expla…

You know, if I were to take out my gun in such a scenario, that would be a risk I would be willing to take.

If you get instruction from police officers, as I did for my Missouri concealed carry license, they'll chill you with stories about they, or someone they know, almost shot a fellow officer. It's something everyone is concerned about, shooting a good guy.

In these sorts of scenarios, it's thought to be relatively easy to figure out who's a good guy and who's a bad guy. Which armed person is everyone running away from, or if downed, facing away from. In your scenerio, where it sounds like the shooter has been downed, is anyone still shooting? Etc.

Do you even know any "gun nuts"???

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by Rubix117 »

vlunkr wrote: post #87

I don't understand these people that hate her so much, even if you disagree with her. All she has done is create a series of videos pointing out what she thinks is wrong with the gaming industry and she gets death threats. Why is no one allowed to be critical of video games? If anything, they are just proving her point by responding with violence.

Cause the death threats are so real...

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by chippy »

ijk wrote: post #66
grecy wrote: post #41

So where are the police in all of this? Are you telling me I can send an email threatening mass murder to whomever I want and there are no consequences. We've seen kids thrown in jail for indirect comments on Facebook, surely this is more tangible.

"between 2009 and 2012, only 10 cyberstalking cases were prosecuted in [The United States]" [1] So the answer seems to be: pretty much. Threatening someone online is highly illegal [18 U.S. Code § 875 (c)], but prosecution is rare. [1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/...

Number of convictions would be even lower!

Do you think the police are being ignored and not trusted in cases of online violence? Perhaps this is why some victims don't follow what I would imagine to be the police advice to not publicise the threats against them.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Post by CocaKoala »

mason240 wrote: post #100
archagon wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give the Isometric podcast #18 a listen ( http://5by5.tv/isometric/18 ). It might change your mind. Also this: http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point Zoe Quinn tweeted today: "couldn't you just fucking not play my games . Fucking boycott me, don't work with me, just leave my dad alone". She got a dead squirrel in her mailbox a few days ago. Remember: she made a free indie game about depression and had a…

No, that is not all she did. She traded sexual favors for favorable game reviews for with multiple people. I don't want my daughter to grow up have to compete with people who use their bodies as something trade business favors for. Frankly is is disgusting that anyone would be supporting this kind of behavior.

It's possible to be against trading sexual favours for game reviews (which, I'll point out, is not a proven thing that happened) and still not put dead squirrels in mail boxes. Maybe people should try that.
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