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Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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The source of a fact does not matter. Your post is the very definition of ad-hominem.

I don't think you know how things...like...work. Being an ad hominem argument and being accurate are not disjoint sets. You don't just get to blow the whistle and say "AD HOMINEM, ARGUMENT GOES TO THE RECEIVING TEAM!". It's not even an ad hominem , though, because the credibility of your sources is at the core of your argument. returnofkings and avoiceformen have a storied and well-covered history of being astonishin…

You are upset for no reason, and are being abusive as a result of your anger. Please calm down and try to be a little more constructive. I did not post those links, I simply pointed out that the source of a fact does not matter. You did not say "those facts are wrong because evidence", you said "those facts are wrong because I don't like who is saying them". That is the very definition of ad-hominem. I did not claim to win any argument, I pointed out that you did not make an argument. Your response had negative value. If you want to demonstrate that some claims are incorrect, then do so.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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linking to arstechnica ,sure , when the head of its gaming department is at the center of that shitstorm ... who is spreading propaganda again ? http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed...

Generally speaking, the guy linking to frigging Breitbart is a good lock to be the guy spreading propaganda. Y'all have been played most effectively by guys like Nero--guys who sneered at you until they realized they could make a name off you. Y'all froth at Sarkeesian all day long for "not being a gamer"...and yet this is the guy you put up as having Useful Things To Say? Get real.

Generally speaking you should actually read the damn article linked before commenting it.The guy who wrote the article worked at the Guardian.He is not a right wing nut.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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How have they made that clear exactly? By condemning the actions of the tiny number of people being abusive? The tiny number of people who have nothing to do with "gamergate" in the first place? Do you seriously not have any moral qualms about lying about millions of people and claiming they target and intimidate people? If you are going to make claims like that, you need to back it up with evidence. You can't just c…

You can't just claim one sick person's actions are the fault of some other group of people. Actually I can. That group of people acts as an enabling environment, making the behaviour seem less extreme to those associated in that group. Do you seriously not have any moral qualms about lying about millions of people and claiming they target and intimidate people? I don't see these "millions of people" actively working…

"You can't just claim one sick person's actions are the fault of some other group of people.

Actually I can. That group of people acts as an enabling environment, making the behaviour seem less extreme to those associated in that group.

Do you seriously not have any moral qualms about lying about millions of people and claiming they target and intimidate people?

I don't see these "millions of people" actively working to make sure the person making those threats is found and brought to justice.

I'll condemn that behaviour all day (behind the safety of my throwaway account)"

The actions of a few do not invalidate an entire group of people.

Take a step back, and realize that you are literally using the same exact argument as islamophobes.

And no, I'm not saying this behind the safety of a throwaway account because I'm not afraid of you, or random internet trolls willing to call me names.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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TotalBiscuit supports GG, and he's the most trustworthy person reporting on games out there. (He's also received threats for his stance, though he did not receive a series of news articles reporting them.) https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/520247895996395520

The guy who doesn't disclose when he's being paid to pimp a game, while pimping that game, is "most trustworthy"? Interesting. Or is it just that he waves his hands at SJWs that you like him?

You mean the guy who decided to own up to his mistakes, and pledged to offer full disclosure?

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/221129/Prominent_YouTuber...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KclXm0fDo0

Yes, it's him.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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>instead of rallying behind one that was created to attack one woman for completely made-up crimes against journalism? I've seen this statement quite a lot, where exactly are people getting this idea from? #gamergate was started by Adam Baldwin, specifically to address corruption in games journalism and the collusion of media outlets in trying to silence discussion of it. The roots of it go back to /v/ having been co…

Adam Baldwin also linked hashtag #GamerGate to the anti-feminism movement[1] when "when tweeting links to pre-existing misogynistic corruption conspiracy theory videos surrounding Quinn and Sarkeesian". Maybe it meant something else for a week or two. But it's been associated with this for much longer than anything else. [1] https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/504801169638567936 [2] http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2…

I'm struggling to see how Adam Baldwin's tweet is linked to an anti-feminist movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51PfwI3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmy5OKg6lo&list=UUWB0dvorHv...

Those are the two videos he links to. There's nothing anti-feminist about them.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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This narrative you're pushing here is a very hard sell considering this is one of their most prominent banners: http://www.nichegamer.net/media/2014/09/gamergate.jpg Being the interenet, there are naturally aggressive and violent people who will throw harassment around. With regard to this issue, it is downright false to claim that they originate from, or are encouraged by, any one camp, as there are examples of hara…

Neither side of things is that simple. While people who openly support gamergate now focus on journalism and condemn misogynistic threats, a look at GG's origins (e.g. the #burgersandfries IRC logs, which as much as anything else started the whole thing[1]), reveals plenty to abhor - way more discussion of how to effectively character-assassinate Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian than of how to reform games journalism,…

Hello my friend. I'm actually present in the logs. And we do talk quite a bit about how to spread awareness towards the corruption in video game journalism.

The logs aren't for the fainthearted because people say stupid things and spout memes, myself included. But everything is there.

Trying to say "look! it's in the logs!" then linking to thousands of lines of text is kind of silly.

The logs will also prove that the logs Zoe Quinn is spreading around are cherrypicked and edited. But that would require actually reading thousands of lines of text, which I'm sure neither you nor anyone willing to listen to the opposing viewpoint is willing to do.

The "secret club" is on rizon, in the #burgersandfries channel, and yes, we kept the old name. You're free to drop in and chat any time.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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>instead of rallying behind one that was created to attack one woman for completely made-up crimes against journalism? I've seen this statement quite a lot, where exactly are people getting this idea from? #gamergate was started by Adam Baldwin, specifically to address corruption in games journalism and the collusion of media outlets in trying to silence discussion of it. The roots of it go back to /v/ having been co…

> I've seen this statement quite a lot, where exactly are people getting this idea from? #gamergate was started by Adam Baldwin, specifically to address corruption in games journalism and the collusion of media outlets in trying to silence discussion of it. The specific instance of "corruption" that touched it off was Zoe Quinn allegedly trading sex for good reviews, which was 100% bullshit. But let's assume you're r…

Because you're effectively herding a group of cats, and coming up with a new name with a new cause every time someone tries to slimeball and gaslight you is a good way to lose momentum.

But here's the thing, while the original allegation of her sleeping with Nathan for reviews is bullshit, that doesn't clean up the fact she entered a romantic relationship pretty much right after Nathan published his piece.[1]

On March 31, Nathan published the only Kotaku article he's written involving Zoe Quinn. It was about Game Jam, a failed reality show that Zoe and other developers were upset about being on. At the time, Nathan and Zoe were professional acquaintances. He quoted blog posts written by Zoe and others involved in the show. Shortly after that, in early April, Nathan and Zoe began a romantic relationship. He has not written about her since. Nathan never reviewed Zoe Quinn's game Depression Quest, let alone gave it a favorable review.

Nor does it excuse the fact that she was actually covered by Patricia Hernandez, a close friend of hers, a long while back without disclosure either. The update at the bottom happened after the fallout.[2]

The harassment that she received that prompted her game to be taken down from Steam Greenlight in Particia's article was also proven to be false.[3]

Unfortunately, since Wikipedia's WikiProject Feminism is brigading the article (which is now locked) http://puu.sh/bZri1/121afb137b.png

The only other source of a decent timeline is KnowYourMeme of all places.[3]

The escapist at the very least decided to apologize for reporting on her original harassment on Steam Greenlight without doublechecking[4]

"But to explain is not to excuse. Our editor-in-chief, Greg Tito, having reviewed the facts at hand, concluded we ourselves have been imperfect in maintaining journalistic standards. A particularly problematic article, the one which generated his review, was about the alleged harassment of an indie developer by a forum community which denied the allegations but was itself victimized as a result of them. The article failed to cite the harassment as alleged, failed to give the forum community an opportunity present its point of view, and did not verify the claims or secure other sources. Mr. Tito has personally updated the article and spoken to all our editors about the importance of adhering to standards that will prevent such bad incidents from happening again."

[1]http://kotaku.com/in-recent-days-ive-been-asked-several-time...

[2]http://kotaku.com/depression-quest-the-thoughtful-game-about...

[3]http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/quinnspiracy

[4]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/ed...

Even the most polite and level-headed Gamergate fans seem to spend far more energy defending the Gamergate name than they do attacking actual corruption. It makes you look like you care more about a snappy name than about getting your message heard; frankly, it makes you look like dupes for a small group of misogynistic trolls.

It's to be defended because the movement doesn't stand for misogyny, and changing the name is effectively admitting to something that it didn't do.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Harassing women is NOT okay, in any form. That said, Brianna is extremely inflammatory and vitriolic in her speech. She doesn't help her cause, at all. Of course, no one will notice that, or care one whit.

oh, she was asking for it! well, that changes everything.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Of all posts on the internet you choose to comment this one?

Check my profile - I comment on tons of posts. Doesn't mean I'm that passionately invested in them.

Yeah,says the pot that calls the kettle black... I'm not a creep, I dont check profiles nor give a fuck about yours.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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I don't think you know how things...like...work. Being an ad hominem argument and being accurate are not disjoint sets. You don't just get to blow the whistle and say "AD HOMINEM, ARGUMENT GOES TO THE RECEIVING TEAM!". It's not even an ad hominem , though, because the credibility of your sources is at the core of your argument. returnofkings and avoiceformen have a storied and well-covered history of being astonishin…

You are upset for no reason, and are being abusive as a result of your anger. Please calm down and try to be a little more constructive. I did not post those links, I simply pointed out that the source of a fact does not matter. You did not say "those facts are wrong because evidence", you said "those facts are wrong because I don't like who is saying them". That is the very definition of ad-hominem. I did not claim…

When you post facts, and not innuendos posing as facts, this self-righteous spiel might have some value. But my experience with goobergate has demonstrated to my satisfaction that Colbert's truthiness is in full effect up in hurr.
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