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Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the problem: #gamergate started as part of a harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn, closely following a round of attacks on Anita Sarkeesian[1] by many of the same people. The journalism bit was a valid issue latter adopted as a shield against criticism from the attacks at those women, several journalists and anyone else who spoke up against the abuse. Then they jumped in bed with the Breitbart crew, who were…

That's one way to tell the story. Here's another: Zoe's disgruntled ex-partner decided to publicly air a lot of dirty laundry after he'd discovered she'd been unfaithful to him. This is childish behavior, but the thing that caught people's attention was his claim that she'd intentionally slept with the editors of gaming publications to receive positive coverage, which turned out to be true. Caught with their pants do…

> This is childish behavior, but the thing that caught people's attention was his claim that she'd intentionally slept with the editors of gaming publications to receive positive coverage, which turned out to be true. > … more tedious historical revisionism …

You couldn't even make it one sentence in without repeating a trivially disproven lie about Zoe Quinn – how exactly is that supposed to convince anyone that you're concerned with ethics instead of harassment?

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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post #25
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This narrative you're pushing here is a very hard sell considering this is one of their most prominent banners: http://www.nichegamer.net/media/2014/09/gamergate.jpg Being the interenet, there are naturally aggressive and violent people who will throw harassment around. With regard to this issue, it is downright false to claim that they originate from, or are encouraged by, any one camp, as there are examples of hara…

Neither side of things is that simple. While people who openly support gamergate now focus on journalism and condemn misogynistic threats, a look at GG's origins (e.g. the #burgersandfries IRC logs, which as much as anything else started the whole thing[1]), reveals plenty to abhor - way more discussion of how to effectively character-assassinate Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian than of how to reform games journalism,…

TotalBiscuit supports GG, and he's the most trustworthy person reporting on games out there. (He's also received threats for his stance, though he did not receive a series of news articles reporting them.)

https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/520247895996395520

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one way to tell the story. Here's another: Zoe's disgruntled ex-partner decided to publicly air a lot of dirty laundry after he'd discovered she'd been unfaithful to him. This is childish behavior, but the thing that caught people's attention was his claim that she'd intentionally slept with the editors of gaming publications to receive positive coverage, which turned out to be true. Caught with their pants do…

> This is childish behavior, but the thing that caught people's attention was his claim that she'd intentionally slept with the editors of gaming publications to receive positive coverage, which turned out to be true. > … more tedious historical revisionism … You couldn't even make it one sentence in without repeating a trivially disproven lie about Zoe Quinn – how exactly is that supposed to convince anyone that you…

I wanted to verify for myself that said claims were true, and video-capped facebook chatlogs where she admits her intent are pretty hard to convincingly fake.

She's not the issue, though. The journalists who accepted such favors in exchange are the issue.

Why are you trying to focus on a woman's sex life instead of the journalist's poor ethical behavior?

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Before anyone jumps to any conclusions these threats are anonymous and nobody knows if they are tied to any group.

There have been a series of feminists who make fake Twitter accounts to threaten themselves and later on were proven to be hoaxes for attention.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/womens-rights-activist...

http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-lounge-main-forum/rok-a...

http://www.returnofkings.com/42602/did-anita-sarkeesian-fake...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErGcBxMpgwA

Apparently they can create all of the fake Twitter accounts they want, sign out, and take a picture of it 12 minutes later. Then log back into the account and delete all of the history.

The news media just has to believe them, because they believe that these anonymous people are behind death and rape threats to everyone. Even if the Twitter accounts doing the threats have the same IP as the feminist's accounts. Sometimes the police catch the feminists and arrest them for filing a false report.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/false-claims-of-rape-an...

This fake rape and fake death threats and fake sexual assaults are nothing new:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

Feminists will keep doing this stuff to get popular, and attention, and speaking gigs, and sell books and promote blogs and websites.

They think by faking this stuff they raise awareness for it.

With this past history of hoaxes, it is hard to tell with each new case of harassment if it is real or just another hoax for attention.

If real she and her family have my deepest sympathies, if fake she will be found out eventually I guess?

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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post #55

Just a meta-question, but is there some kind of flagging/downvoting system on HN that's hidden to newer users? It seems odd that this thread quickly fell off the top page, below older posts with fewer upvotes.

HN is weighted towards preventing an influx of new users having an effect on the voting of comments and articles - precisely to avoid the effect that an new influx of pro-gg or anti-gg users would have on the story or comment score.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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post #55

Just a meta-question, but is there some kind of flagging/downvoting system on HN that's hidden to newer users? It seems odd that this thread quickly fell off the top page, below older posts with fewer upvotes.

> is there some kind of flagging/downvoting system on HN that's hidden to newer users

yes.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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post #58
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the problem: #gamergate started as part of a harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn, closely following a round of attacks on Anita Sarkeesian[1] by many of the same people. The journalism bit was a valid issue latter adopted as a shield against criticism from the attacks at those women, several journalists and anyone else who spoke up against the abuse. Then they jumped in bed with the Breitbart crew, who were…

> #gamergate started as part of a harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn The problem has never been about Zoe Quinn.She can f$ck whoever she wants. The issue is so called "game journalists" f$cking Zoe Quinn then writing articles about her praising her work,funding her through Patreon,and not disclosing the fact that they are also f$cking her. The issue is "game journalists" colluding in google groups to push a leftwi…

> The issue is so called "game journalists" f$cking Zoe Quinn then writing articles about her praising her work,f

You meant one journalist, who never reviewed her game and mentioned her once before they started dating, right?

I've watched this unfold and it was rather starkly different from the charming story you're telling. On the off chance that you aren't intentionally spreading propaganda, here are a few links which cover how things actually happened:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/new-chat-logs-show-how... http://gawker.com/what-is-gamergate-and-why-an-explainer-for...

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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post #68
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> #gamergate started as part of a harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn The problem has never been about Zoe Quinn.She can f$ck whoever she wants. The issue is so called "game journalists" f$cking Zoe Quinn then writing articles about her praising her work,funding her through Patreon,and not disclosing the fact that they are also f$cking her. The issue is "game journalists" colluding in google groups to push a leftwi…

> The issue is so called "game journalists" f$cking Zoe Quinn then writing articles about her praising her work,f You meant one journalist, who never reviewed her game and mentioned her once before they started dating, right? I've watched this unfold and it was rather starkly different from the charming story you're telling. On the off chance that you aren't intentionally spreading propaganda, here are a few links wh…

linking to arstechnica ,sure , when the head of its gaming department is at the center of that shitstorm ... who is spreading propaganda again ?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed...

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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I have no interest in taking sides in #gamergate but it should be pointed out that someone trying to make #gamergate look bad could have posted the threats on twitter.

As heated and complex as this dustup has become you really can't take anything at face value any more. Its become a pretty intense propaganda war by both sides, or maybe all sides, so unless you have posts from a verified account or video of someone saying something you should take just about everything else with a grain of salt.

Its pretty naive to think anyone knows the true motives of someone posting with a probably throw away twitter account.

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