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Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Post by uvTwitch »

BryantD wrote: post #79
uvTwitch wrote: post #72

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Nathan Grayson is one of the accused people. He's written a few articles on Kotaku painting her game in a positive light. Kotaku is a Gawker Media site - one of the two sites you've linked to. You can see why your evidence might not be taken so seriously in this context. Robin Arnott is also one of the accused people. While not a journalist, he is one of the judges for Indiecade. Her game won an award on last year's…

"Robin Arnott is also one of the accused people. While not a journalist, he is one of the judges for Indiecade. Her game won an award on last year's indiecade, winning over Papers, please and other titles - quite a clear conflict of interest." That's also not a thing that happened. Depression Quest did not win an award at Indiecade. It wasn't even one of the finalists. There's a press release here: http://www.gamasut…

Ok, I was wrong on that point - believing a forum post to remind me of robin's role was a poor choice of mine. Her game was chosen as an exhibitor among thousands of submissions however, so it seems hard to believe that no influence is at play, nor does it invalidate the other points.

You are VERY quick to accuse me of "swimming in a toxic cloud of hate and anger". Have you yourself considered that you may have had your viewpoint biased by the input you've had? Or that perhaps some of that anger may be due to gamers as a collective being openly insulted by journalists, simply for demanding better standards?

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Post by modfodder »

uvTwitch wrote: post #49
ioquake3 wrote: post #44

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This is absolutely false. There was no coverage that was slanted for her free game after she supposedly slept with anyone. This is not about ethics, if it were that would have been an issue when BIG publishers started paying youtubers to cover games without any negative language. Or any of the other actual scandals. Not when ONE indie game developer happened to have some dirty laundry aired by an asshole.

The admission she herself made, as well as the video-captured facebook conversation logs her ex posted with her where she admitted as much, was evidence enough for me. The scandal wasn't about her though, try as the media might to make her the focus - it was about the journalists who had accepted sex, and reciprocated with positive coverage. It was also about the many other journalists who were found to have been doi…

If you won't point to the Facebook conversation/logs where she supposedly admitted to exchanging sexual favors for favorable coverage, at least point us toward all these stories by the journalists she slept with. That would help, a list of all the journalists that you know accepted sexual favors to provide positive coverage. With that list, please provide links to the positive coverage they wrote for those game developers they slept with.

And please point us towards all the death threats that the journalists received for writing these articles.

And you say that gamergaters generally want to stop focusing on women's sex lives, but you continue to bring it up without providing any proof what so ever.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

#83

Post by aikah »

valas wrote: post #75
aikah wrote: post #58

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> #gamergate started as part of a harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn The problem has never been about Zoe Quinn.She can f$ck whoever she wants. The issue is so called "game journalists" f$cking Zoe Quinn then writing articles about her praising her work,funding her through Patreon,and not disclosing the fact that they are also f$cking her. The issue is "game journalists" colluding in google groups to push a leftwi…

Sorry, you sound like Rush Limbaugh. Stop clinging to silly conspiracy theories of journalists sitting down together and deciding future of the gaming industry. Journalists don't care about future of gaming industry, as long as it bring clicks to their articles.

Sorry, you sound like Rachel Maddow. Distording facts and saying i said stuff i never said.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Post by vacri »

aikah wrote: post #58
acdha wrote: post #26

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Here's the problem: #gamergate started as part of a harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn, closely following a round of attacks on Anita Sarkeesian[1] by many of the same people. The journalism bit was a valid issue latter adopted as a shield against criticism from the attacks at those women, several journalists and anyone else who spoke up against the abuse. Then they jumped in bed with the Breitbart crew, who were…

> #gamergate started as part of a harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn The problem has never been about Zoe Quinn.She can f$ck whoever she wants. The issue is so called "game journalists" f$cking Zoe Quinn then writing articles about her praising her work,funding her through Patreon,and not disclosing the fact that they are also f$cking her. The issue is "game journalists" colluding in google groups to push a leftwi…

Of all the genres of journalism to get so passionate about ethics about, you choose this?

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Post by aikah »

vacri wrote: post #84
aikah wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> #gamergate started as part of a harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn The problem has never been about Zoe Quinn.She can f$ck whoever she wants. The issue is so called "game journalists" f$cking Zoe Quinn then writing articles about her praising her work,funding her through Patreon,and not disclosing the fact that they are also f$cking her. The issue is "game journalists" colluding in google groups to push a leftwi…

Of all the genres of journalism to get so passionate about ethics about, you choose this?

Of all posts on the internet you choose to comment this one?

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Post by BryantD »

uvTwitch wrote: post #81
BryantD wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Robin Arnott is also one of the accused people. While not a journalist, he is one of the judges for Indiecade. Her game won an award on last year's indiecade, winning over Papers, please and other titles - quite a clear conflict of interest." That's also not a thing that happened. Depression Quest did not win an award at Indiecade. It wasn't even one of the finalists. There's a press release here: http://www.gamasut…

Ok, I was wrong on that point - believing a forum post to remind me of robin's role was a poor choice of mine. Her game was chosen as an exhibitor among thousands of submissions however, so it seems hard to believe that no influence is at play, nor does it invalidate the other points. You are VERY quick to accuse me of "swimming in a toxic cloud of hate and anger". Have you yourself considered that you may have had y…

Considering that Indiecade 2013 took place well in advance of any sexual contact between Robin and Zoe? It's very easy to believe that no influence is in play.

And this is why I don't think I'm too quick to accuse. You're not thinking. You're not applying any rationality to this at all. There's something else going on in your thoughts, and I think it's toxic anger generated by the meme bubble you're currently living in -- not maliciousness.

Demanding that Robin Arnott develop a time machine and retroactively undo Indiecade choices after he started a relationship with Zoe Quinn isn't "better standards." It's insanity. Gamergate is being treated as you'd expect from a bunch of people insisting that something that happened in 2013 was caused by something that happened in 2014.

I'm truly sorry you can't see that.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Post by kaonashi »

uvTwitch wrote: post #51
kaonashi wrote: post #45

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Sounds like a lot of female sexuality policing to me. I'd be ashamed to have my name anywhere near it.

It has nothing to do with her actions - the complaints are aimed at the journalists who accepted sex in exchange for coverage, as well as the numerous other journalists who have demonstrably low integrity and poor ethics.

Really? Where are these reviews?

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Post by imanaccount247 »

valas wrote: post #75
aikah wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> #gamergate started as part of a harassment campaign against Zoe Quinn The problem has never been about Zoe Quinn.She can f$ck whoever she wants. The issue is so called "game journalists" f$cking Zoe Quinn then writing articles about her praising her work,funding her through Patreon,and not disclosing the fact that they are also f$cking her. The issue is "game journalists" colluding in google groups to push a leftwi…

Sorry, you sound like Rush Limbaugh. Stop clinging to silly conspiracy theories of journalists sitting down together and deciding future of the gaming industry. Journalists don't care about future of gaming industry, as long as it bring clicks to their articles.

Really? http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed...

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Post by imanaccount247 »

valas wrote: post #76
orionblastar wrote: post #65

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions these threats are anonymous and nobody knows if they are tied to any group. There have been a series of feminists who make fake Twitter accounts to threaten themselves and later on were proven to be hoaxes for attention. http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/womens-rights-activist... http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow-lounge-main-forum/rok-a... http://www.returnofkings.com/426…

You don't do yourself much favor in this discussion when you post links to returnofkings.com or avoiceformen.com :-)

The source of a fact does not matter. Your post is the very definition of ad-hominem.

Re: Game developer Brianna Wu leaves home after death threats for supporting women

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Post by eropple »

aikah wrote: post #69
acdha wrote: post #68

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> The issue is so called "game journalists" f$cking Zoe Quinn then writing articles about her praising her work,f You meant one journalist, who never reviewed her game and mentioned her once before they started dating, right? I've watched this unfold and it was rather starkly different from the charming story you're telling. On the off chance that you aren't intentionally spreading propaganda, here are a few links wh…

linking to arstechnica ,sure , when the head of its gaming department is at the center of that shitstorm ... who is spreading propaganda again ? http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed...

Generally speaking, the guy linking to frigging Breitbart is a good lock to be the guy spreading propaganda.

Y'all have been played most effectively by guys like Nero--guys who sneered at you until they realized they could make a name off you. Y'all froth at Sarkeesian all day long for "not being a gamer"...and yet this is the guy you put up as having Useful Things To Say? Get real.

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