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U.S. Law Enforcement Seeks to Halt Apple-Google Encryption of Mobile Data

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Post by matwood »

brational wrote: post #60
williamcotton wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With end-to-end encryption where the messages are encrypted and decrypted on the client it would not be possible for anyone with access to phone records or central servers to read what was said. They would need to obtain the private keys that are generated on the client devices themselves.

But they'd still be able to do that given a warrant? Or is this unwarrantable protection, for lack of a better word?

Assuming they can get the client device(s) before they are destroyed.

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Post by suprgeek »

Classic Fear mongering at its finest.

Blatantly violate the public trust repeatedly by Blanket illegal surveillance, discredit anyone who reveals it, call them a traitor.

Then when people & companies get pissed at this over-reach and the gloating (smiley faces on NSA slides) and start putting up technological fixes to ward-off against this bullshit begin fear mongering.

I think all manner of Masks, Steel doors, etc should be immediately outlawed -after-all some one can kidnap children wearing a mask and WE CANNOT CATCH THEM! Steel doors slow down access by law enforcement THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

BS at its finest.

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Post by sarciszewski »

erichurkman wrote: post #31

> Their requests to the companies may include letters, personal appeals or congressional legislation, said a federal law official who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive issue. I love that, in an article arguing against secure privacy, the official requested anonymity.

This happens so frequently that I've become numb to it, but now that you point it out it's still ironic.

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Post by ghshephard »

mullingitover wrote: post #6

Google and Apple's marketing teams must be relishing this. I'm guessing it's very dangerous in their departments right now with the champagne corks flying everywhere.

Well, until the law gets changed and they have to allow government access to the smartphones.

I've giving it better than 70% odds legislation is passed within 4 years that ensures just that.

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Post by happyscrappy »

Arjuna wrote: post #66

My reply is... "What about the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution?" Would we really be having these discussions if Americans (speaking as an American here) were better-educated on our own rights, our own foundation, the very fibers of our own history? I mean, this is such a simple amendment, so crystal-clear and eloquent. After reading it (see below), how can there possibly be any doubt as to how the…

You should better educate yourself, the article is about seizure with a warrant, with which Apple and Google will no longer be able to help them.

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

Arjuna wrote: post #66

My reply is... "What about the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution?" Would we really be having these discussions if Americans (speaking as an American here) were better-educated on our own rights, our own foundation, the very fibers of our own history? I mean, this is such a simple amendment, so crystal-clear and eloquent. After reading it (see below), how can there possibly be any doubt as to how the…

I don't think anyone's unclear about the violations, but when our system of government is limited to 2 parties, and BOTH of them are bought and sold to various companies and departments with interest in violating that premise, the ideal is doomed.

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Post by EGreg »

Once again this is an issue of centralization. Imagine everything is decentralized - mesh networks, open source server software, social networks etc. How is a government going to enforce that no one runs a private encrypted network? And using one step of tunneling how would it make sure no one runs a VPN? Short of a total physical police state like the USSR under Stalin the only thing they could do is mandate backdoors in physical devices. Because manufacturing is going to be the last bastion of centralization. If you think I'm joking, see this and this:

http://www.popularresistance.org/new-intel-based-pcs-permane...

http://wccftech.com/intel-possibly-amd-chips-permanent-backd...

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519661/nsas-own-hardwar...

And lest you think only governments do this, a lot of hardware DRM has been almost entirely the result of the entertainment lobby and licensing:

https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13qtnxhuojytbjbr04...

As you can see the main targets are still INSTITUTIONS. Once they are decentralized it will be harder to control who makes the software. If you want to read my own thoughts on these things, see these two links:

http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=114

http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=169

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Post by pdabbadabba »

legomylibrum wrote: post #70
earless1 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I let out an audible WTF when I read that. I wish this argument would stop.

Oh, it gets better. "The notion that someone would market a closet that could never be opened – even if it involves a case involving a child kidnapper and a court order – to me does not make any sense."

Seriously. Perhaps one would call this sort of exotic and nefarious contraption a "safe"?

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Post by baddox »

scintill76 wrote: post #30
ary wrote: post #13

Outside of having a plethora of security experts audit and certify these services I'd say this is about as close as you can get to a ringing endorsement. The only way it gets better is if other governments follow up with the same complaints. Ultimately I'm pleased that this kind of thing even makes the news. Ideally government becomes almost totally transparent and private matters become nearly opaque (there will alw…

> I'd say this about as close as you can get to a ringing endorsement Or they just want criminals to think that all they have to do is buy an Apple or Google phone, and they can't be caught.

That might make sense if you believe their primary motive is to catch criminals.
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