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U.S. Law Enforcement Seeks to Halt Apple-Google Encryption of Mobile Data

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Re: U.S. Law Enforcement Seeks to Halt Apple-Google Encryption of Mobile Data

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>Apple and Google know that they will be losing customers, more and more Until they actually do lose some customers this silly meme should die. Where are these customers allegedly going, back to dumb phones?

Maybe not lose customers now, but have customers that censure their own communication over public channels, and generally see these channels as insecure and potentially dangerous. Over years, that makes GMail and GDrive less valuable and their competition more attractive.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apple and Google know that they will be losing customers, more and more Until they actually do lose some customers this silly meme should die. Where are these customers allegedly going, back to dumb phones?

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No. I think this might be a bubble effect.

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What a terrible article. Excerpt: They have created a system that is a free-for-all for criminals So we should give up all rights to privacy to help catch criminals? What concerns me about this is companies marketing something expressly to allow people to place themselves beyond the law Maybe that says more about your laws than the desire for privacy?

> What a terrible article

Those are quotes from interview subjects, not editorialization. If the subject's opinion is horrible, you want that to show through in the article.

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This is a bit like protesting door locks because they make it harder to pop in and look around.

I don't support what the government is trying to do here, but minimizing this issue like this is not doing us any favors.

The issue isn't that law enforcement can no longer "look around" your phone. The issue is that they can no longer get a warrant and use what is on your phone as evidence in an investigation or court case without the phone owner's cooperation. Basically your phone goes from being personal property that can be used against you as evidence to an extension of your mind that is now subject to 5th amendment protection. That is a big shift.

In terms of your originally analogy, encryption isn't a simple door lock, it is a magical warrant proof lock. I certainly understand why law enforcement wouldn't be happy about this.

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What a terrible article. Excerpt: They have created a system that is a free-for-all for criminals So we should give up all rights to privacy to help catch criminals? What concerns me about this is companies marketing something expressly to allow people to place themselves beyond the law Maybe that says more about your laws than the desire for privacy?

Including quotes detailing a position you disagree with doesn't make an article terrible.

And they're not even the words of the author, they're a law professor and FBI Director. Necessary opinions from experts and subjects of the story. It would be a terrible article if they were absent.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apple and Google know that they will be losing customers, more and more Until they actually do lose some customers this silly meme should die. Where are these customers allegedly going, back to dumb phones?

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I've noticed the increase in availability for secure phones (as in, there were zero before and now there is one), but even working in information security, I've never heard of anyone outside of Ars Technica or the like actually buying one, let alone using it. I wouldn't really call that a sharp increase in popularity except, of course, the sharp increase of going from zero to one.

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They are going straight into "think of the children mode" " Smartphone communication is “going to be the preferred method of the pedophile and the criminal. We are going to lose a lot of investigative opportunities." Apparently "what about the terrorists?" isn't as effective anymore. Let's hope the public will see through their manipulative talking points.

Yeah, I let out an audible WTF when I read that. I wish this argument would stop.

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This is a bit like protesting door locks because they make it harder to pop in and look around.

They can just break down a door, though. They can't break proper encryption with a good passphrase.

Not that many people will choose a good passphrase...

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Outside of having a plethora of security experts audit and certify these services I'd say this is about as close as you can get to a ringing endorsement. The only way it gets better is if other governments follow up with the same complaints. Ultimately I'm pleased that this kind of thing even makes the news. Ideally government becomes almost totally transparent and private matters become nearly opaque (there will alw…

> I'd say this about as close as you can get to a ringing endorsement

Or they just want criminals to think that all they have to do is buy an Apple or Google phone, and they can't be caught.

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