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Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by seanflyon »

dkokelley wrote: post #108
na85 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids in the first world having access to mobile broadband at speeds and prices that make Photoshop-as-a-service feasible on their chromebooks is explicitly not awesome unless you're one of those privileged kids. This is a "rich get richer" situation that is developing. The problem with the centralized model is that it rather fucks over even people in developing or under-developed countries, and also places like, say,…

I don't see how lowering the barrier to entry (access to tech) has any impact on the "rich getting richer".

If I understand na85 correctly, they are suggesting that the terminal model of chrome books requires decent internet and thus increases the barrier to entry. I agree with you that Chromebooks lower the barrier to entry because hardware cost is too big of a factor (and many things still work offline).

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by JohnBooty »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #119
anon1385 wrote: post #115

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It's not awesome at all. It's the death of personal computing. What to use Photoshop? Pay a perpetual monthly fee forever, with no control over which version of the software you are using. Adobe jacked up the price this year for the new version despite a lack of new features? Tough, nothing you can do about it. It's either pay up or lose access. The new version is buggy? Tough luck. Want to modify any of the software…

Uh no. You see the reason personal computing exists is because it was people who wanted this level of control and "their own computer" started using these cheezy "calculator chips" to build their own computers. What they could do was a lot less than what the mainframes/minicomputers/workstations could do but you could own your own. All of those things are still true. But there is a rub. Today you can go on some warez…

Surely you must understand that the intersection of people that want to run graphical manipulation software and have the time and expertise to work on the GIMP codebase is rather small?

Sure, the Steve Wozniaks of the world have always had the ability to write their own GIMP plugins or whatever, and you're right: that hasn't changed.

But there were a few decades there where the rest of the world could actually own commercial software, and that had a lot of upsides. Those days are drawing to a close.

(Yes, I know that EULAs attempted to "license" software to you instead of truly letting you own the software. But for all practical purposes, you did at least own it to the extent that it would continue to work even if the software vendor's servers went down, or they decided they didn't like you using their software, or your government decided they didn't like you using the software vendor's software, or whatever.)

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by JohnBooty »

tree_of_item wrote: post #133
anon1385 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not awesome at all. It's the death of personal computing. What to use Photoshop? Pay a perpetual monthly fee forever, with no control over which version of the software you are using. Adobe jacked up the price this year for the new version despite a lack of new features? Tough, nothing you can do about it. It's either pay up or lose access. The new version is buggy? Tough luck. Want to modify any of the software…

Why do you feel entitled to use proprietary software with no restrictions? Yes, Adobe and Microsoft are going to charge you rent. So what? Just use free (as in freedom) software instead. Adobe and Microsoft were never your friends, and if you feel bad about this recent development I don't know why you were using their software in the first place. They were always looking for a way to do this to you, all that's change…

  > Just use free (as in freedom) software instead.
If the last several decades have shown us anything, it's that the free software movement is excellent at creating some kinds of software (operating systems, development tolls, severs) and generally pretty bad at many other kinds of software (games, content creation software, etc).

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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ChuckMcM wrote: post #84

And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…

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Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by MarkMc »

This is big news. Chrome OS now has the potential to destroy Windows.

It will soon run a large range of Android apps, and a good virtualization solution would mean that business applications could be written for Linux and run on any platform that runs Chrome.

If I was Microsoft I'd be very worried right now.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by tree_of_item »

JohnBooty wrote: post #153
tree_of_item wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you feel entitled to use proprietary software with no restrictions? Yes, Adobe and Microsoft are going to charge you rent. So what? Just use free (as in freedom) software instead. Adobe and Microsoft were never your friends, and if you feel bad about this recent development I don't know why you were using their software in the first place. They were always looking for a way to do this to you, all that's change…

> Just use free (as in freedom) software instead. If the last several decades have shown us anything, it's that the free software movement is excellent at creating some kinds of software (operating systems, development tolls, severs) and generally pretty bad at many other kinds of software (games, content creation software, etc).

The reason for this is that those kinds of software require lots of money to pay developers to work on them full time, because they aren't straightforward applications of the sort of thing you'd get in an engineering/computer science education.

Recent years have suggested that "software as a service" is the only way to get this money due to rampant piracy. If the free software community doesn't like this state of affairs, they need to step up their game.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by ANTSANTS »

andybak wrote: post #42
bshimmin wrote: post #11

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I'm pretty excited to see how utterly wretched the performance will be!

If you can play an FPS remotely (and I have - and it works) then I think this is a walk in the park.

Maybe if you're playing a 30FPS "cinematic experience."

Meanwhile, the hardcore PC FPS gamers with 120hz+ monitors running the game at 2x displayable framerate can't even tolerate the latency from enabling vsync.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by baddox »

anon1385 wrote: post #115
astrocat wrote: post #91

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The power/electricity analogy here is what's really key - there will come a time when the ubiquity of being "online" will be the same as the ubiquity of "the power is on." It's so prevalent in modern society we really don't think about it. It took me a while to realize that this is where Google is headed with ChromeOS/Chromebooks. Ultimately, "applications/apps" will not exist, there will just be the web and all pers…

It's not awesome at all. It's the death of personal computing. What to use Photoshop? Pay a perpetual monthly fee forever, with no control over which version of the software you are using. Adobe jacked up the price this year for the new version despite a lack of new features? Tough, nothing you can do about it. It's either pay up or lose access. The new version is buggy? Tough luck. Want to modify any of the software…

> I find it hard to imagine a more dystopian future for software.

Really? The dystopian parts of that vision are already here: laws protecting software as intellectual property and laws prohibiting the circumvention of DRM. The other parts are almost certainly better for the vast majority of users.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by myrryr »

flixic wrote: post #14

Well this is interesting. Their FAQ[0] contains some more information, but still does not explain everything. They say "however, instead of being installed on your local machine, it is running in a virtualized environment so can be accessed from any Chrome browser or Chromebook. Because this version of Photoshop is running in a virtualized environment, you open, save, export and recover files from/to your Google Driv…

It obviously isn't VNC style. After all, if you lose a connection when using VNC, you don't end up with the files on your local machine to be recovered. They would be still out on the net.

The processing is local, that is for sure.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by rozap »

jiggy2011 wrote: post #25

Wouldn't it make more sense to port this to a "real" Linux first? Photoshop is often quoted as a killer app that keeps people on Windows.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Apple or Microsoft were paying Adobe large sums of money to not do that.
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