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Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by VikingCoder »

flixic wrote: post #27
VikingCoder wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see pixel-level precision being hard. As for color-correction, I would bet they have settings to allow you to adjust based on your monitor.

Doing color correction based on monitor colors would be impossible: sometimes you adjust, for instance, RGB curves for one specific layer. It could mean that half of the screen is changing with every step of the slider, and you want exact color, immediately.

I think you're making this overly complicated.

For one, doing client-side color correction (for example with WebGL) is technically possible. It's probably not in this solution, but let's not use words like "impossible" unless they're actually impossible.

But more importantly, I think you're just complaining about latency, but then you're using the phrase "impossible."

EDIT: I thought you were talking about gamma correction and the color space of the display, where the program running on the server wouldn't know about the gamma and color characteristics of the monitor on your current browser. Thus, "monitor settings." But no, you're just worried in general about whole-screen fill rate latency. Again, I think using terms like "impossible" is hyperbole. It will be fine for some users, and not for others.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by andybak »

bshimmin wrote: post #11
arscan wrote: post #9

For those wondering how the "streaming" version of Photoshop is implemented: Project Photoshop Streaming is identical to the Photoshop you’d install locally with a few notable exceptions. This build can be accessed from any Chrome browser (Windows only) or Chromebook and does not require a full download and install. In other words, this is the same build of Photoshop you’d typically download and install from Creative…

I'm pretty excited to see how utterly wretched the performance will be!

If you can play an FPS remotely (and I have - and it works) then I think this is a walk in the park.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by esturk »

whizzkid wrote: post #19

I am little bit concerned about the way technology trends these days. It feels like sooner or later, big companies will have all the hardware and software hosted on their side and people will only get access to play it according to companies rules. This is actually a concern to my freedom as well. I want to own my hardware and software power. I want to run everything offline if i want to. I don't want to click "I agr…

That's the whole point of the Cloud. To the business, it deleverages the customer's control and increase the latter's dependence on the former.

Think about why Skype is no longer P2P. Think about how some Video/Audio formats are proprietary that you have use the same service or else you risk losing all your past recordings.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by thrownaway2424 »

aceperry wrote: post #30

This is huge, no matter what kind of technology or compromises being made, it shows the acceptance and maturation of chromebooks in the general public.

Only if you define "general public" as the intersection of Google Apps for Education customers and Adobe Creative Cloud licensees.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by wffurr »

whizzkid wrote: post #23
Bahamut wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except you don't own most software you have on your machine locally. You agree to a license to use it.

"I want to own my hardware and software power" I think this states what I am trying to say.

The parent is specifically addressing that point. You don't own most of the software you are purchasing. The vendor retains either the technical or legal ability to reach into your machine and disable the software via the licensing agreement.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by vinceguidry »

whizzkid wrote: post #19

I am little bit concerned about the way technology trends these days. It feels like sooner or later, big companies will have all the hardware and software hosted on their side and people will only get access to play it according to companies rules. This is actually a concern to my freedom as well. I want to own my hardware and software power. I want to run everything offline if i want to. I don't want to click "I agr…

You should donate to and become a member of the Free Software Foundation.

https://my.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom/join_fsf?referr...

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by pdknsk »

flixic wrote: post #14

Well this is interesting. Their FAQ[0] contains some more information, but still does not explain everything. They say "however, instead of being installed on your local machine, it is running in a virtualized environment so can be accessed from any Chrome browser or Chromebook. Because this version of Photoshop is running in a virtualized environment, you open, save, export and recover files from/to your Google Driv…

The color correction can be done on the server. It just needs to get and upload your monitor profile, and Photoshop on the server returns color corrected pixels. Of course, Chrome cannot even read the monitor profile on Linux yet. I'm not sure if this also applies to Chromebooks though. Since it's a fixed device, it probably ships with the monitor profile file factory stored somewhere. Or Adobe gets the files for the few dozen or so Chromebooks from Google, and the browser only sends an identifier.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

wldcordeiro wrote: post #17
ethomson wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current version of Creative Cloud is really just a different license; indeed you do still download (say) Photoshop, it just pings the Adobe servers to ensure that you have paid your monthly or annual licensing. To call it "the cloud" is really in name only, as it's no different than the Photoshop that you pay a one-time fee for and install from DVD. This is totally different, as you suggest, it's a VNC-style acce…

Really the cloud offering in the name applies to their storage (20 GB as individual, 100 GB as a business account [1 TB should be standard at this point imo]), Typekit and Kuler. The applications, like you said are pretty much the same as always with full local installations.

But this suggests Adobe might move to remote execution SaaS at some point in the next few years.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's always been the ultimate goal of CC.

A lot of SaaS is waiting for faster broadband. CC Saas will be limited at 10MB, but as speeds creep up to 100MB and beyond it's going to start making more sense.

I think the rent-your-cycles model sucks for users, and is against everything personal computing was supposed to do.

But it's a no-brainer for corporates with a captive audience for life, zero piracy, and easy surveillance.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by DannyBee »

swartkrans wrote: post #26
flixic wrote: post #14

Well this is interesting. Their FAQ[0] contains some more information, but still does not explain everything. They say "however, instead of being installed on your local machine, it is running in a virtualized environment so can be accessed from any Chrome browser or Chromebook. Because this version of Photoshop is running in a virtualized environment, you open, save, export and recover files from/to your Google Driv…

Also, I wonder how this affects bandwidth. Are you just constantly streaming HD? Are there latency issues? What about if the network gets congested? It sounds pretty terrible. Also on the bottom of that FAQ it says "Please post your issues to [Insert Forum Link]" heh.

"Also, I wonder how this affects bandwidth. Are you just constantly streaming HD? Are there latency issues? What about if the network gets congested? It sounds pretty terrible."

I can imagine, given experience with VNC or even some crappy RDP implementations, it sounds like it would be terrible. But those are pretty old and bad technologies for remote desktop usage, with known issues. You can do better.

I'm sure there are situations where the experience is not ideal.

But remember that you are talking about people using chromebooks here. They are computers basically built with the expectation that you have good internet, and they are targeting the education market here.

I would point out that neither Adobe, nor Google, would want people in the education market (one of Adobe's prime targets) to have a crappy experience with Photoshop, as it would be really bad for both parties (if Google makes a bad first impression with chromebooks, people write them off and never try them again. If Adobe makes a bad impression with photoshop, people won't pay hundreds later on to buy it).

So one would imagine they would not release a terrible experience :)

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by Morgawr »

ihsw wrote: post #39

I have some serious doubts about the usefulness of this -- considering how long it will take to "open" a large PSD file. There's also the issue of sensitive/confidential content -- Adobe is putting a very large bulls-eye on themselves. Since your PSD/etc files are being uploaded to Adobe to "open" Photoshop, they'll have to be stored there, and that is very attractive to nefarious individuals. I understand that in ac…

How is that any different from trusting Google Drive with your data? Or Dropbox? Or any other cloud backup services?

I'm not saying that it's not a problem, because it clearly is, but it sounds like it's a bit too late to be this worried about our business-related files stored on remote servers/services.

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