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Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by na85 »

jordigh wrote: post #95
danudey wrote: post #82

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I went to his talk when he was in Vancouver, and it was… interesting. It came across as very tone-deaf, the tech equivalent of the man standing on the side of the street screaming about how our sinful behaviour will invite the lord's wrath. He's described, in recent history, the method in which he accesses the internet; namely, to queue up a list of URLs, batch-fetch them, and then read them offline at a later date.…

He uses other people's phones because it doesn't give any information about him when he does that. If nobody else around him had a phone, he just would get on life without making that phone call, or he would wait until he found a landline to make that call. But if the convenience already exists, he'll use it. He's actually quite internally self-consistent. The principle he's adhering to is (1) he doesn't want to be t…

I don't think he's internally consistent in the manner a rational person would expect. I think he's internally consistent in the same way a patient with multiple-personality disorder and delusions finds ways to justify where their lover Eduardo has gone and why he comes and goes a lot like the Pokaroo.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by JetSpiegel »

hamburglar wrote: post #93
wmf wrote: post #55

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And then H.264 artifacts probably undo that color correction.

Adobe has spent decades worrying about color accuracy in their applications in every path it can take to your eyeball and they're not just going to screw up the last hop because it didn't occur to them to take the effect of whatever remoting technology they're using into account.

Based on the backlash over Creative Cloud, I don't think they really care.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by na85 »

astrocat wrote: post #91
ChuckMcM wrote: post #84

And this is the logical conclusion of the death of the 56K baud modem. There was a prophetic (if early) contest at Sun to 'imagine the future' and the winner got a SPARCStation. As a networking guy I tried to imagine what was going to change when the 'big yellow hose' (which is what 10MB Ethernet looked like at the time) came right into your living room. And one of the things that changed was that you could work at '…

The power/electricity analogy here is what's really key - there will come a time when the ubiquity of being "online" will be the same as the ubiquity of "the power is on." It's so prevalent in modern society we really don't think about it. It took me a while to realize that this is where Google is headed with ChromeOS/Chromebooks. Ultimately, "applications/apps" will not exist, there will just be the web and all pers…

Kids in the first world having access to mobile broadband at speeds and prices that make Photoshop-as-a-service feasible on their chromebooks is explicitly not awesome unless you're one of those privileged kids.

This is a "rich get richer" situation that is developing.

The problem with the centralized model is that it rather fucks over even people in developing or under-developed countries, and also places like, say, South Africa where broadband speeds are internally decent but are notoriously slow to the rest of the planet.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by zfran »

aceperry wrote: post #28
sheetjs wrote: post #18

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> Streaming Photoshop can be run on any Chromebook or Chrome Browser. It doesn't necessarily mean that they disable support for chrome on linux. It's possible that it can run on Chrome for Linux but Adobe won't necessarily provide support in the same way that they provide support for the Windows version.

That's probably the main reason. It's too bad though because it would be great to have it available on linux, even in an unsupported offering.

chances are that once it comes out someone will hack it/reverse it to "run" on a standard Linux setup

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by JetSpiegel »

vlunkr wrote: post #83
whizzkid wrote: post #19

I am little bit concerned about the way technology trends these days. It feels like sooner or later, big companies will have all the hardware and software hosted on their side and people will only get access to play it according to companies rules. This is actually a concern to my freedom as well. I want to own my hardware and software power. I want to run everything offline if i want to. I don't want to click "I agr…

On the other hand, all this cloud software means that you can use really demanding applications on cheap hardware, like Photoshop on a Chrome Book. But for the most part, I agree with you. Companies can change their pricing or terms at any time and you can't do anything about it. On top of that, to use the software you're paying for you also have to pay your fees to the ISPs.

> On the other hand, all this cloud software means that you can use really demanding applications on cheap hardware, like Photoshop on a Chrome Book.

But Adobe can charge literally anything! And they can cut your access overnight at a whim.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by api »

quadrangle wrote: post #99
api wrote: post #80

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Agreed. Making things even harder is how deeply entrenched the piracy-is-good mentality still is. Try arguing against it over at Reddit or on any thread about Popcorn Time or Kim.Com (what a douche) and see how far you get. You'll get attacked pretty viciously and downvoted into lower Hades, even at Hacker News. If you don't pay, you don't matter. Free means serfdom. This is one of those things that absolutely nobody…

Free can also be Free/Libre/Open. You don't pay for Wikipedia and you're not a serf as a reader / user, you're not the product.

That only works for a subset of things, namely those things that can be effectively crowdsourced at small increments. I'd also argue that Wikipedia is heavily indirectly subsidized by academia and government.

Large coherent software products and great works of art are by definition the products of individuals or small teams focusing intensely for long periods of time. That is inherently expensive. Only the independently wealthy or the otherwise subsidized can afford to focus for thousands upon thousands of hours and then give the product away... not unless they have another idea for revenue like freemium, SaaS, etc. (... and those don't work for music, movies, books, etc.)

... and "otherwise subsidized" takes us back to some of the pathologies I mention... propaganda, advertising, etc. driving art and surveillance/manipulation based business models driving software.

Do we really want a future where only trust fund kids and propagandists create art? Do we really want a future where software is created exclusively to monetize its users?

The Wikipedia model can only work for everything in a true post-scarcity society where the marginal cost of everything is zero and everyone can live with no real "income." Until someone finds a way to draw unlimited energy from the quantum vacuum, we are stuck with some form of economy where everything I said applies.

Another way of thinking about the pirate economy is as a deflationary spiral in which monetary velocity collapses and all kinds of pathologies emerge from that. Deflationary spirals are actually really great for uber-capitalists that already own lots of rentier assets, but they're bad for workers, entrepreneurs, and other non-rentiers. Sound familiar?

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by dkokelley »

na85 wrote: post #104
astrocat wrote: post #91

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The power/electricity analogy here is what's really key - there will come a time when the ubiquity of being "online" will be the same as the ubiquity of "the power is on." It's so prevalent in modern society we really don't think about it. It took me a while to realize that this is where Google is headed with ChromeOS/Chromebooks. Ultimately, "applications/apps" will not exist, there will just be the web and all pers…

Kids in the first world having access to mobile broadband at speeds and prices that make Photoshop-as-a-service feasible on their chromebooks is explicitly not awesome unless you're one of those privileged kids. This is a "rich get richer" situation that is developing. The problem with the centralized model is that it rather fucks over even people in developing or under-developed countries, and also places like, say,…

I don't see how lowering the barrier to entry (access to tech) has any impact on the "rich getting richer".

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by vinceguidry »

na85 wrote: post #69
vinceguidry wrote: post #46

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You should donate to and become a member of the Free Software Foundation. https://my.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom/join_fsf?referr...

I'd gladly do so if Stallman wasn't part of it. Childish meltdowns on stage, comments about pedophilia and toe jam eating aside, RMS might well have been a luminary 30 years ago. But AFAIK he hasn't done any coding in years, and mostly just travels around giving talks, riding on his past fame to continue to enable his lazy, selfish lifestyle (cf. refusing to own a cell phone but happily using someone else's, same for…

Oh come on, that's a far more childish attitude than any of RMS's eccentricities. Do you really think he travels around and gives talks because he's lazy, or because he's long recognized that it's the best way he can contribute to his goals of promoting free software?

Because if you'd ask me which I'd rather be doing, travelling around and giving talks, or being at home and coding, I'd pick my home and my neighborhood and my routine, every day of the week.

Re: Adobe joins the Chromebook party, starting with Photoshop

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Post by seanflyon »

javajosh wrote: post #63
ewzimm wrote: post #58

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On the flip side, you can consider that traditional proprietary software installs usually have full access to read and modify your system, often in ways you don't expect or wouldn't consent to. Running in a virtualized environment in a browser significantly reduces access to your system. So if you run a free software local install with proprietary programs running in a jailed browser environment, you are probably mor…

But think this through...if you don't run anything locally then what, exactly, are you protecting on your local system by running things remotely? Although honestly, for something like photoshop I really don't see a problem. It's a creative tool, and probably isn't producing interesting data for the NSA, et al. The real security concern here is Adobe's, in that they want to protect their software from you , the user.…

You are protecting your private information in cloud A from company B. I can trust different groups with different information without giving them all access to the whole set.
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