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Why Is Peter Thiel Pessimistic About Technological Innovation?

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Re: Why Is Peter Thiel Pessimistic About Technological Innovation?

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> Another possibility is that we reached a level of development where going forwad is really that hard. Well, harder . See my post at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8338417 in this thread where I try to explain the sense in which harder is, with the traditional management hierarchy, too hard.

That's similar to what I was calling corporate evolution. It's nice to see more people reaching the same conclusion, as that's the second one I'm less confident that is relevant. The one I'm less confident is that development is too hard. And I mean it in the literal sense, in that we need to create entire new thinking paradigms, and invest endless billions on tools so that we can get in another easily explited plate…

Again, for the issue of growing the economy and standard of living through more exploitation of what's on the shelves of the research libraries and the well trained workers in that material, I believe that the bottleneck is, really, with the non-technical suits, the guys with, maybe, a Harvard English or history major, maybe a law school degree, maybe an MBA, but with no real technical qualifications. So, these guys won't bet their careers on technical material they don't understand. Before 1940, the suits could understand enough about, say, radio and cars.

So, do all the pure/applied research you want, those suits won't let, or at least won't help, the results see the light of day.

We did a lot of pure research because (A) that is what the academic world most respects and, thus, for their careers, most researchers wanted to pursue, (B) US research, including workers with pasts in pure research, were a super big help in winning WWII and doing well in the Cold War, (C) the US DoD really liked and respected both pure and applied research, (D) Congress was eager to fund research as part of helping US national security. Part of the rationale for Congress funding pure research was that (A) the leading researchers told Congress that that was the research to fund and (B) the pure researchers were the profs who trained the worker bees for the more applied research -- so Congress was still happy.

What we fund now via NSF and NIH is not too shabby. If someone actually has some good work background and a really good proposal, then likely they can get funded.

But, with some exceptions, take some research results and a proposal for a product to Silicon Valley or the suits in a large company will, get either silence or laughs. Again, the suits want next to nothing to do with research results.

Or, journals will give a serious review of a submitted research paper, but the suits won't get past the title page.

Re: Why Is Peter Thiel Pessimistic About Technological Innovation?

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I don't think this is particularly nutty, but I don't see it as a root cause. LTG pointed out some real problems. If we were in the 50s-60s can-do mindset we'd have reacted with "well let's roll up our sleeves and fix it then!" But that wasn't the reaction at all. The reaction was doom and gloom and futility with a hefty helping of thinly veiled racism and classism. Gotta stop those poor and brown people from overrun…

Wait, wait... eco-doom-mongering and population control abortion-mongering represent "conservatism"?

Yes, but of a different sort than you find on the right.

Another thing since 1970 is that there have been no liberals on the mainstream political landscape, just various species of "left" reactionaries and "right" reactionaries.

Re: Why Is Peter Thiel Pessimistic About Technological Innovation?

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Ok, I know it might be hard to fathom, but funnily enough, every single one of the technologies you mention --without exception-- harken back in (arguably) significant and non-trivial ways to technology or fully functional prototypes already in place by the 1970s, if not earlier. I'm not making this up. Look them up and see for yourself! (Yes, even autonomous cars [1]. And ABS [2]. And X-ray computed tomography [3])…

Isn't that just how technology works? We've technically had the Internet since the 1960s, but it has grown and developed and changed enough that the Internet we had in the 1960s wasn't really what we'd call "the Internet" today (the world wide web). It takes a long time for anything to go from the first time someone hacked together a semi-functioning prototype to widespread adoption, especially when it's the 0 to 1 t…

There wasn't an "Internet" in the 1960s, or at least, not until the very end. The various components: TCP/IP networking, BGP, ethernet, ATM, protocols, Unix, etc., simply didn't exist.

There were some computers which could communicate over modems at 300 - 9600 baud or so, at distance.

The technologies which enabled the Internet were being developed in the 1960s. As of 1977, this was the entire ARPANET, about 53 nodes by my count: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arpanet_logical_map,_march...

The real guts started filling in during the 1980s, particularly BSD Unix (with a TCP/IP stack), Perl, and by the end of the decade, the first Web server and clients.

The difference between technological developments of the latter half of the 20th century and those from 1800 - 1950, is that the former involved new sources of energy, new means of producing and distributing it, and exceptional advances in materials. From 1950 onward most major advances have been in information processing and communications, though the Green Revolution likely also counts. Nothing to sneeze at, but limited all the same: information processing lets you change how you manage matter, but the overall impact is still restricted to the theoretical maximum efficiency of those physical processes.

Faith that technology will provide us with an unlimited future is ... wishful thinking.

Re: Why Is Peter Thiel Pessimistic About Technological Innovation?

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I think the article unfairly bashes rail transport by singling out coal. If you read Warren Buffett's writings, his investment in rail was mostly due to being able to move something 500 miles on one gallon of diesel fuel. Regardless of what is being carried, there are very few things that efficient. Coal sucks, but but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater there. As for the science section, claiming that produc…

Actually there have never been so many publications per scientist as there is now. Nearly every metric that is measurable, have been growing exponentially for the last century (no. of scientists, publications, research institutions etc.). There are some indications that we are nearing the top of the s-curve however. Which begs the question: why is all that research not resulting in equal exponential innovation in our…

Cause all the important research is already done.

Seriously. Why do we assume the difficulty of making meaningful progress to be linear? It seems reasonable that each new discovery becomes harder then the previous one, at a rate equal to or faster then the rate at which we speed up science.

Re: Why Is Peter Thiel Pessimistic About Technological Innovation?

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Correlation is not causation. You are cherry picking one metric and using it to flout your point of view.

Oh I'm sorry. You're absolutely right. Hold on for just five years while I perform a study to find the correlation, then after that we can argue about the causation until we both die.

And now you're committing the fallacy of argument from emotional intimidation by using sarcasm.

There are times when your sarcasm would acutally be a valid point and not sarcasm, but this is not one.

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