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Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by jasonlotito »

gcp123 wrote: post #66

Don't tear apart the details of what the author wrote. Just squint your eyes, and you know he's dead right. This is exactly the kind of storytelling that was missing from Tuesday's keynote. Steve always started with WHY before he got to the WHAT or the HOW. Tim Cook was shaking his fists in triumph after doing nothing but showing some over-produced video that showed some cool camera angles on the watch. Not a word ab…

> WE DID IT! WE MADE A WATCH! WOOO! My jaw dropped. Very tacky. Too self-congratulatory.

Self-congratulator? Have you never watched an Apple release with Jobs? It starts off with a whole lot of "we sold X devices" and "we are opening new stores where most of you will never go."

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

DCKing wrote: post #170

The whole premise of this article is so wrong. If Jobs were alive we wouldn't have had this presentation in the first place. First up, under Jobs phablet iPhones would have been out of the question. He would have flat out rejected those, because he was simply wrong about some of the assumptions of phone design and would be a lot slower to admit that than Apple did without him. Second, the Apple Watch would not have b…

This ignores that Apple regularly changed direction under Jobs:

* No-one wants an iPod that plays video * No-one wants a small tablet * The original 3.5" iPhone is the right size (Jobs may not have lived to see the iPhone 5 launch but would have known it was coming and approved it)

He was a notorious flip flopper. He'd be a dick about it (surprise!) and take credit for things he'd previously been against, but he often changed his mind and a larger iPhone isn't out of the question.

Once you get to an iPad Mini being OK with him, I don't see why we think he'd have objected to the large iPhone.

EDIT: Thinking about it, the principal of multiple versions / sizes of a product was well established before Jobs left. MacBook Airs, MacBook Pros, desktop Macs, iPads, multiple sizes of iPod (Classic, Nano, Shuffle, Touch). Frankly the iPhone was about the only product where you weren't forced to take a specific shape / size.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by LaGrange »

nly wrote: post #159
LaGrange wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And, on the phone I'm likely to be conversing with friends and acquaintances. Beats staring at newspapers. Oh, and my phone has OKCupid and Meetup.com. But the original post goes into creepypasta territory with the human warmth thing. "Jobs: I feel her pulse against mine." It reminds me of http://windows95tips.com/post/34200923828

On the other hand, you're just as likely to be playing Angry Birds.

That's terrible, but the likelihood of me being in contact with my peers remains higher. Relative social and/or personal usefulness of Angry Birds versus reading news is another matter.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by jeroen »

jacquesm wrote: post #137
GCPCo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, you are missing the point. Steve identified the insight (the WHY) behind a product before he introduced the details and design. Cook & team skip all the important foreplay. It makes the products feel less Apple-y, less inspired, and simply, more like everyone else's. I love Apple and will keep buying their phones, the watch, and Macs. But for some of us, the company is also part of the products.

Are you using a sockpuppet?

It seems to be way too obvious to be malicious, but gcp123 and GCPCo are the same guy.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by jacquesm »

jeroen wrote: post #204
jacquesm wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you using a sockpuppet?

It seems to be way too obvious to be malicious, but gcp123 and GCPCo are the same guy.

Why use two nicks in one thread?

I highly doubt that HN would not detect upvotes from another account on the same IP, especially not across logouts.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by marrs »

DCKing wrote: post #170

The whole premise of this article is so wrong. If Jobs were alive we wouldn't have had this presentation in the first place. First up, under Jobs phablet iPhones would have been out of the question. He would have flat out rejected those, because he was simply wrong about some of the assumptions of phone design and would be a lot slower to admit that than Apple did without him. Second, the Apple Watch would not have b…

I agree entirely. I think the same can be said of iOS 5 as well, the way they finally moved away from skeuomorphic styling.

I am really surprised to see such an information dense UI, and I'm actually quite pleased they've taken this approach. I'd much rather see everything I need to see at a glance than have to navigate to the correct screen.

I'm also pleasantly surprised to see a tactile user input device (the crown) rather than just a lousy touch screen. It's something else I wouldn't have expected from Apple.

I frequently find myself getting into arguments with designers about good design, and they are of course all Apple fanbois and always hold it up as proof of my wrongness. If they're consistent (honest?) then they'll be disappointed with this product. I'm curious to find out if that happens.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by transpy »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #119

"What we want from Apple isn't new technology. We want human warmth — a possibility of living a more fulfilled, meaningful life." I think this sums up nicely what's wrong here: The belief that technology will make your life more fulfilled or meaningful. I didn't watch the live keynote (I don't have the required Apple gear) but saw excerpts on Youtube, and frankly, I find the level of religiousness surrounding this ev…

People's eyes are not glued to their screens. I'm sure that they can move their eyes and point them onto other targets, and I'd like to see the evidence of any sticky substance between the ocular globes and the crystal screens. I don't understand the need of hyperbole, in general. Why is it necessary to exaggerate to make a point?

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by transpy »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #119

"What we want from Apple isn't new technology. We want human warmth — a possibility of living a more fulfilled, meaningful life." I think this sums up nicely what's wrong here: The belief that technology will make your life more fulfilled or meaningful. I didn't watch the live keynote (I don't have the required Apple gear) but saw excerpts on Youtube, and frankly, I find the level of religiousness surrounding this ev…

What is the society you would like to live in? A society in which intellectual and philosophical discussions pop up spontaneously on the subway? Or a society in which strangers stop to hug each other in the middle of the street and start conversing dearly and profoundly?
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