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Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by gareim »

catshirt wrote: post #96
sbuk wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please show us an example of another smartphone manufacturer that does better.

please explain how this is any sort of relevant to my argument. i never compared Apple to anyone. i never suggested it would be in character for Apple to vocally disparage their old products. i never put a limit on "old" nor did I ever suggest the original author was correct (or incorrect). lot of people hearing what they want to around here. feel free to downvote without explanation- that seems to be the trend in Ap…

It's relevant in that it shows that there is most likely a reason that support doesn't last > 3 years.

If you're going to state facts like "hardware gets deprecated" simply just to state it, then you're not adding anything to the conversation and that's why you're getting downvoted.

If you're mad at Apple for not supporting outdated hardware when no one else in the industry is supporting outdated hardware, then you're being unreasonable and that's why you're getting downvoted.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#102

Post by catshirt »

gareim wrote: post #101
catshirt wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

please explain how this is any sort of relevant to my argument. i never compared Apple to anyone. i never suggested it would be in character for Apple to vocally disparage their old products. i never put a limit on "old" nor did I ever suggest the original author was correct (or incorrect). lot of people hearing what they want to around here. feel free to downvote without explanation- that seems to be the trend in Ap…

It's relevant in that it shows that there is most likely a reason that support doesn't last > 3 years. If you're going to state facts like "hardware gets deprecated" simply just to state it, then you're not adding anything to the conversation and that's why you're getting downvoted. If you're mad at Apple for not supporting outdated hardware when no one else in the industry is supporting outdated hardware, then you'r…

thank you for a thoughtful response. my point is not that "hardware gets deprecated" nor am I "mad" at anyone. are these really the only two possible interpretations of my post?

my point is that just because Apple doesn't vocally disparage their old products doesn't mean they think their old products are perfect.

my point is that some light disparaging of their old products may be a refreshing dose of honesty. (inb4 "but that could be bad for business!". I don't care.)

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by djur »

GCPCo wrote: post #81
MCRed wrote: post #74

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Frankly, I'm glad Cook is not trying to imitate Jobs. Imagine if Cook had gone on stage and followed the script jiggly wrote. It would have come off completely insincere. Sincerety is why Jobs was great, and it's why Cook is great. He doesn't BS us, as Jiggity seems to want. But the thing is, no matter what Apple does people will complain. There's always another way that they could say would have been better. If Appl…

Again, you are missing the point. Steve identified the insight (the WHY) behind a product before he introduced the details and design. Cook & team skip all the important foreplay. It makes the products feel less Apple-y, less inspired, and simply, more like everyone else's. I love Apple and will keep buying their phones, the watch, and Macs. But for some of us, the company is also part of the products.

"Foreplay"? Apple is a consumer electronics company, not a lover. You admit you'll buy their products regardless -- why should they make a point of titillating you?

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#105

Post by camillomiller »

GuiA wrote: post #18

Hacker News: your premier source for Steve Jobs fan fiction. (laughs) Does the author really think that Steve Jobs would have ever said "When I open up a website on Safari, I don't have to strain my eyes anymore"? They're still selling 5S and 5C! Not even Asus would disparage their previous products like that. The rest of the piece is just as bad and devoid of substance. (Steve rolls in his grave)

I agree. Steve Jobs died in 2011. It's like an eon ago in this field. He would have changed his mind so often in this period, over so many things, that we would be here reading tons of bad pieces about that time Steve said so and so and "oh look how the prick's contradicting himself all over again". Get over it people, the Steve's passed, we can't have him back, unfortunately, and the worst thing Cook & co. could do is to follow the footprints of a guy who completely defied even the most common rules of big business. It worked, because he was Steve. It won't work for Tim & Phil & Jony & Craig and all. They're too smart to ignore that. The only one who really thought he could be Steve II, Scott Forstall, has been ousted. And that's fortunate, or he could have steered Apple against the cliffs in a very short time.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by thaumasiotes »

lindig wrote: post #93
gbhn wrote: post #73

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The adulation is a bit rich. Wasn't 3.5 inches claimed to be "the perfect size" by this same individual? Part of being Steve Jobs is knowing when you have a breakthrough and knowing when you've got an incremental improvement. He did plenty of the latter as well as the former.

The design of the iPhone is guided by what is technically possible as much as by ergonomics. As the size of our hands hasn't changed, how can a 4.7 inch phone now be perfect when previously 3.5 inch was deemed perfect? Here is one reason: as the devices become slimmer, your thumb can reach farther than before and hence cover a larger screen. So: it's the combination of thinness and size that makes the iPhone 6 still…

> As the size of our hands hasn't changed, how can a 4.7 inch phone now be perfect when previously 3.5 inch was deemed perfect? Here is one reason: as the devices become slimmer, your thumb can reach farther than before and hence cover a larger screen.

Well, I'd say most of the problem here is trying to identify a two-dimensional screen by a single number, the length of its diagonal. It must make more sense to give the actual dimensions of screens.

I remember pained discussion of the Nexus 5 saying the 4 was wide enough. The 5 is only wider by a couple millimeters, but is significantly enough taller that they bumped the single number identifying its size. That's no way to communicate.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by ultimatedelman »

Rapzid wrote: post #104

I completely disagree with his assessment of there being "too many" watch choices. For a fashion accessory I think it's absolutely critical that they give people room to express themselves. IMHO the "style" angle Apple has taken is what's going to move product.

IMHO the "Apple logo" is what's going to move product.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by camillomiller »

karmelapple wrote: post #15
Bud wrote: post #13

The writer says a lot of things that are just silly. For instance: It's hard enough to craft desire for a single identity. When asked to think of an Apple Watch, people don't know what to picture. Can you imagine if the original iPhone in 2007 came with sixty customizable skins? Well, um, it did come with hundreds of customizable skins. They were called iPhone cases. They were, and still are, endemic. Instead of a si…

The important point is Apple did not sell those cases when the iPhone was first released. It didn't talk about the idea of customizing it. People will figure out how to own their phone and make it personal. I think the author of this piece did a great job channeling a likely, and better, introduction.

It did not. And what's more annoying is the way he puts it: I KNOW WHAT STEVE WOULD HAVE DONE. I, a big nobody compared to a CEO that's worked for Apple since 20 years, know why he got it wrong. Now I'm gonna tell you what I would have done. This is the worst bullshit. Critique is great, and you can pull it off brilliantly even you are a little dot compared to the big guys you're criticizing. This is clearly not the case.

About the customization: there's two version of the Watch, one big, one small. The rest is fashion. Apple knew, better than anybody else, that you need fashion to sell something that stays on your wrist and everybody will see all the time. Deem it superficial, if you want, but that's reality. Once again competitors couldn't do something similar, because they may have the tech. This time around even the ecosystem. Unfortunately the don't have the best team of designers (not merely industrial designer, designer in general) a company has ever employed.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by barrystaes »

SoftwareMaven wrote: post #80
gcp123 wrote: post #66

Don't tear apart the details of what the author wrote. Just squint your eyes, and you know he's dead right. This is exactly the kind of storytelling that was missing from Tuesday's keynote. Steve always started with WHY before he got to the WHAT or the HOW. Tim Cook was shaking his fists in triumph after doing nothing but showing some over-produced video that showed some cool camera angles on the watch. Not a word ab…

He's right about the iPhone but not the watch. Jewelry is a completely different sector where individualization is not just nice-to-have but absolutely required. They would sell a few watches to die-hard fans if they didn't show "the 60", but they would miss the market they are trying to hit: people who wear watches. In effect, the ONE is the 60. I'm not saying it was a perfect launch, and they may have gotten it rig…

What is "the 60" ?

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#110

Post by critiq »

Gracana wrote: post #83
steadicat wrote: post #49

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Based on your logic, even iPhone ("I phone") is out the window. Besides, Apple has never shied away from punny names. Think iSight and Airport.

But an "I phone" does phone. An "I watch" doesn't watch.

missing camera? :)
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