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Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by tcpekin »

hnriot wrote: post #77
Bud wrote: post #13

The writer says a lot of things that are just silly. For instance: It's hard enough to craft desire for a single identity. When asked to think of an Apple Watch, people don't know what to picture. Can you imagine if the original iPhone in 2007 came with sixty customizable skins? Well, um, it did come with hundreds of customizable skins. They were called iPhone cases. They were, and still are, endemic. Instead of a si…

endemic? I have no idea what you meant by that word. It's not the right word at all. iPhones are pretty much "worn" these days, either in the hand or pocket. What about the iPods that are worn daily by runners and practically everyone in the gym.

Endemic in this situation is used as commonplace. He's just saying that cases are commonplace. It's not a perfect use of the word, but one I've definitely seen and used.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#92

Post by catshirt »

beagle3 wrote: post #64
catshirt wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my experience with the iPhone is that Apple doesn't give a shit about old iPhones.

First, "old" in this case is "older than 3 years", which is about 3 years older than almost any other phone manufacturer; my almost 3-year old iphone 4S is still getting updates the same day a new phone does. (Yes, my more-than-5-years-old iphone 3G does not, so?) 2nd, they don't care about older-than-3 iphones. But they care about getting old iphone owners to feel good about themselves and to upgrade to a newer one.…

> "2nd, they don't care about older-than-3 iphones"

great, so we agree.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#93

Post by lindig »

gbhn wrote: post #73
GuiA wrote: post #18

Hacker News: your premier source for Steve Jobs fan fiction. (laughs) Does the author really think that Steve Jobs would have ever said "When I open up a website on Safari, I don't have to strain my eyes anymore"? They're still selling 5S and 5C! Not even Asus would disparage their previous products like that. The rest of the piece is just as bad and devoid of substance. (Steve rolls in his grave)

The adulation is a bit rich. Wasn't 3.5 inches claimed to be "the perfect size" by this same individual? Part of being Steve Jobs is knowing when you have a breakthrough and knowing when you've got an incremental improvement. He did plenty of the latter as well as the former.

The design of the iPhone is guided by what is technically possible as much as by ergonomics. As the size of our hands hasn't changed, how can a 4.7 inch phone now be perfect when previously 3.5 inch was deemed perfect? Here is one reason: as the devices become slimmer, your thumb can reach farther than before and hence cover a larger screen. So: it's the combination of thinness and size that makes the iPhone 6 still usable with one hand. I'm not denying that people might not care as much and simply want a bigger screen, too, and this is an additional factor.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#94

Post by fredsted »

I just find this article a little creepy and off-base. He's yearning for Tim to be a fake imitation of Jobs. The author has some vision of a perfect Jobs. Guess what, Steve wasn't perfect. It's easy to say, "Steve would have done it this way".

Tim is not a presenter, he's the CEO. And he's just really proud of his team. It shows. So he leaves most of the presentation to other VPs.

Steve is no longer with us. Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs, and shouldn't be. He doesn't need to be. In any case, the products speak for themselves.

Apple Watch definitely needs styles. It's partly a fashion item!

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by sbuk »

catshirt wrote: post #92
beagle3 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, "old" in this case is "older than 3 years", which is about 3 years older than almost any other phone manufacturer; my almost 3-year old iphone 4S is still getting updates the same day a new phone does. (Yes, my more-than-5-years-old iphone 3G does not, so?) 2nd, they don't care about older-than-3 iphones. But they care about getting old iphone owners to feel good about themselves and to upgrade to a newer one.…

> "2nd, they don't care about older-than-3 iphones" great, so we agree.

Please show us an example of another smartphone manufacturer that does better.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#96

Post by catshirt »

sbuk wrote: post #95
catshirt wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "2nd, they don't care about older-than-3 iphones" great, so we agree.

Please show us an example of another smartphone manufacturer that does better.

please explain how this is any sort of relevant to my argument.

i never compared Apple to anyone. i never suggested it would be in character for Apple to vocally disparage their old products. i never put a limit on "old" nor did I ever suggest the original author was correct (or incorrect). lot of people hearing what they want to around here.

feel free to downvote without explanation- that seems to be the trend in Apple threads.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by jamesrom »

gcp123 wrote: post #66

Don't tear apart the details of what the author wrote. Just squint your eyes, and you know he's dead right. This is exactly the kind of storytelling that was missing from Tuesday's keynote. Steve always started with WHY before he got to the WHAT or the HOW. Tim Cook was shaking his fists in triumph after doing nothing but showing some over-produced video that showed some cool camera angles on the watch. Not a word ab…

I thought the fist shake thing was a subtle way to show he's wearing the watch. Every new product is introduced and shown for the first time in an interesting way.

iPod was in Steve Jobs' pocket the whole time.

iPhone was in Steve Jobs' pocket the whole time.

iPad was under the cloth on the table beside the armchair.

Mac Pro was elevated from under the stage.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#98

Post by echoes »

SoftwareMaven wrote: post #80
gcp123 wrote: post #66

Don't tear apart the details of what the author wrote. Just squint your eyes, and you know he's dead right. This is exactly the kind of storytelling that was missing from Tuesday's keynote. Steve always started with WHY before he got to the WHAT or the HOW. Tim Cook was shaking his fists in triumph after doing nothing but showing some over-produced video that showed some cool camera angles on the watch. Not a word ab…

He's right about the iPhone but not the watch. Jewelry is a completely different sector where individualization is not just nice-to-have but absolutely required. They would sell a few watches to die-hard fans if they didn't show "the 60", but they would miss the market they are trying to hit: people who wear watches. In effect, the ONE is the 60. I'm not saying it was a perfect launch, and they may have gotten it rig…

I totally agree with this ^. The key to wearables is to make them fashionable - to make them into something a lot of people want to wear, and want others to see them wearing.

Wearable devices are still very much on the fringe - mainly due to lack of style - and style is very individual. This watch, regardless of its somewhat indistinct purpose, will be able to appeal, on beauty alone, to a vastly larger group of people than it otherwise would if it were "the one."

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Post by leoc »

gcp123 wrote: post #66

Don't tear apart the details of what the author wrote. Just squint your eyes, and you know he's dead right. This is exactly the kind of storytelling that was missing from Tuesday's keynote. Steve always started with WHY before he got to the WHAT or the HOW. Tim Cook was shaking his fists in triumph after doing nothing but showing some over-produced video that showed some cool camera angles on the watch. Not a word ab…

But that's precisely a problem with the hardware and features and not the messaging. If they're not communicating a clear message about why it should exist, it's because they've failed to figure out a highly compelling reason why a watch that isn't a smartphone and has limited ability to operate independently of a smartphone, yet is bulky, has low battery life and costs $350-and-up should exist, other than "because it is beautiful and from Apple" (which is what the video was highlighting) or "because we need to grow our revenues to avoid disappointing Wall Street's now-crazy expectations".
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