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Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by [deleted] »

danmaz74 wrote: post #140
zorbo wrote: post #81

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I'm in a position where I'm mostly exposed to non-western information regarding the situation in Ukraine, since my girlfriend is Russian. It's funny to see the exact opposite story as the western media is giving. Stories about pro-russians being harassed by pro-western Urkainians and the government were (and are) abundant. From their point of view, a pro-russian government was illegitimately overthrown. General opini…

Putin said that: * No Russian army forces were active in Crimea * He would never annex Crimea to Russia He then annexed Crimea, and distributed lots of decorations to the army corps that occupied it. How can we possibly still trust anything Putin says? Regarding who is mistreating whom, what do you think about the forced march of Ukrainian POWs on the day of Ukraine independence, or about this: http://www.nytimes.com…

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Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by acomjean »

3rd3 wrote: post #128
acomjean wrote: post #44

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Your not the only one. Its a strange feeling that Russia can do whatever it wants and there are no consequences. They seem a little out of control. They annexed Crimea. Nobody did anything. They shot down a civilian airliner (or supplied the missiles/training). No consequences. Send in caravans of "Humanitarian Aid" that Ukraine didn't ask for. Crickets.. Then they just get on their media and deny everything. Its har…

I was more referring to the moral aspect of real-time spectatorship.

Its hard to watch things you have no control over. Especially war. But completely ignoring it is probably not better.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by foobarqux »

philwelch wrote: post #148
foobarqux wrote: post #111

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Did you know that the United States navy shot down an Iranian commercial airliner in 1988? How do you think that was reported in western media compared to how MH17 was reported?

Compared to how MH17 was reported in Russian media? I think the Iranian incident was pretty admirably covered by that standard.

No, how western media reported each incident. Virtually identical incidents (as close as you can get in history anyway), but completely different portrayals.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by delinka »

IgorPartola wrote: post #42
albemuth wrote: post #7

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relevant: https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII "@RealTimeWWII is a Twitter feed describing the events of World War II, created by British historian and Oxford grad Alwyn Collinson(...)."

This is pretty cool. It'd be interesting to have a personal service set up around this such that it starts sending messages just to you with "news" updates. I briefly looked at these tweets, but since I didn't follow @RealTimeWWII when it first started, I cannot get the full effect. More broadly, I'd love to see the original coverage for a few historical events. My most recent curiosity is the Watergate scandal. What…

History as a Service. Scheduled notifications about historical events relayed in "virtual real time" from a start date of your choosing.

Like a DVR (or Netflix streaming) for history.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by ceejayoz »

davidw wrote: post #150
ceejayoz wrote: post #43

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Nothing in that link says "current events" are off-topic. Given that this is Hacker News and that the definition of news is information about current events, I'm not sure what you're on about.

Let's see: "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics , or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news , it's probably off-topic."

Live mapping an invasion for the first time isn't an "interesting new phenomenon"?

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by davidw »

ceejayoz wrote: post #155
davidw wrote: post #150

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Let's see: "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics , or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news , it's probably off-topic."

Live mapping an invasion for the first time isn't an "interesting new phenomenon"?

It's been done before:

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/raf-operations-room

Note also that no one is talking about the map in and of itself because it's not all that interesting and nothing new.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by Paradigma11 »

foobarqux wrote: post #111
nobodysfool wrote: post #91

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That's true. My wife is from Tajikistan, she called her mom and asked about that Malaysian airlines flight that got shot down, and it was like they were speaking two different languages. She goes 'did you hear about that plane that Russia shot down' and her mom says 'oh you mean the one that Ukraine shot down because they thought it looked like Putin's plane?' we were quite confused about what she said until we watch…

Did you know that the United States navy shot down an Iranian commercial airliner in 1988? How do you think that was reported in western media compared to how MH17 was reported?

Like this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/flight80... http://www.nytimes.com/1988/11/18/opinion/witness-to-iran-fl...

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by waps »

bjourne wrote: post #120
IgorPartola wrote: post #33

I am continually astounded by the amount of support Russia receives from HN commenters. Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong that it reaches all the way to the Bay area, or are there a lot of Russians on here? What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine and what will be the NATO position at that point? I have no delusions that NATO will not engage in any military conflict, since nobody…

I think many hackers like me are quite anti-authorian and anti-establishment. The establishment and the media have clearly decided who the bad guys in the conflict are (Russia) and it's obvious from all the reporting. We remember what they reported in 2003 about wmd:s in Iraq so everything they say today must be read with suspicion. In many former USSR countries there are large Russian minorities living which was mov…

> We remember what they reported in 2003 about wmd:s in Iraq so everything they say today must be read with suspicion.

I still don't get why people say that :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=40142&Cr=iraq&C...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/17/chemical-ali-de...

And yet the idea that Saddam did not have - or use - chemical weapons is treated as gospel today. WTF ?

I don't understand this. Suppose you are standing near a corpse, with a bullethole. You see smoke rising from the hand of a person who claims to have shot him. But the gun ... there's no gun.

My conclusion would be : obviously he did something to the gun, let's go search, if necessary search the neighbor's house.

The apparent conclusion I'm supposed to take away from that : "there never was any gun !"

Really ?

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by astrodust »

mkaziz wrote: post #36
astrodust wrote: post #31

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Regardless of any referendums, legal or otherwise, is this internationally recognized as an annexation? Right now it's just occupied. That's technically correct.

What does international recognition matter if a people want something? I'm not commenting on the legality of the annexation, but I don't think international recognition (biased as it tends to be) matters.

International recognition matters a lot when you're talking about maps and labels on them.

This is isn't like South Sudan where part of the country separated through referendum and was immediately recognized as a new entity. It's still controversial, hence the label on the map.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by dzhiurgis »

philwelch wrote: post #149
ambler0 wrote: post #141

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I would never say that I support Russia in any of this, but it's important to put the hypocritical Western pearl-clutching in context: The near-universal Western condemnation of Putin includes citing the "emotional address" in which he complained bitterly that the U.S. and its allies had "cheated us again and again, made decisions behind our back, presenting us with completed facts with the expansion of NATO in the E…

Gee, I wonder why Poland and Lithuania might have wanted to join NATO in the first place. It's almost as if they didn't trust Russia! How dare they. Russia would never invade a neighboring country.

You little ones are so ungrateful, sometimes I wonder why I ever kidnapped you...
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