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Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by nokiaman »

xendo wrote: post #14
nokiaman wrote: post #6

Looks like propaganda. Didn't Ukrainian president Poroshenko say he had hard evidence that the rebels and Russia shot down fligth MH17? Where is it? All gone a bit quiet hasn't it? Every few days he makes new claims but never backs them up with evidence. Any Russian programmers want to comment? How does it feel for Russia to be constantly demonized? Even here on HackerNews, when was the last time there was any positi…

You registered to HN right after MH17 was shot down, just to post content blaming Ukraine for the crash. And now you are saying that this 'looks like propaganda'.

Sorry, was hell banned, so switched to new handle. Timing was coincidental.

This map site was only recently registered. Does that mean anything?

http://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=liveuamap.com

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=liveuamap

Btw, wasn't blaming Ukraine for MH17, just saying we must keep an open mind, and wait for a full independent investigation before jumping to conclusions.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by IgorPartola »

albemuth wrote: post #7
peaton wrote: post #3

Wow, I guess this is what would have happened online during World War II if it happened in modern times. Interesting historic landmark as far as information dissemination during confrontations/wars.

relevant: https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII "@RealTimeWWII is a Twitter feed describing the events of World War II, created by British historian and Oxford grad Alwyn Collinson(...)."

This is pretty cool. It'd be interesting to have a personal service set up around this such that it starts sending messages just to you with "news" updates. I briefly looked at these tweets, but since I didn't follow @RealTimeWWII when it first started, I cannot get the full effect.

More broadly, I'd love to see the original coverage for a few historical events. My most recent curiosity is the Watergate scandal. What was on TV at the time? What were people saying? I know what the scandal "was" but I don't know how people reacted to it. I was I could in some fashion reproduce it at the time and see what was going on.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by ceejayoz »

davidw wrote: post #20

As evidenced by the flame wars breaking out, this is 'current events' and thus off-topic for this site: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html That it's "using tech to cover them" is a fig-leaf, at best.

Nothing in that link says "current events" are off-topic. Given that this is Hacker News and that the definition of news is information about current events, I'm not sure what you're on about.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by acomjean »

3rd3 wrote: post #27

Am I the only one who feels uneasy about stuff like this? I can't quite figure out why.

Your not the only one.

Its a strange feeling that Russia can do whatever it wants and there are no consequences. They seem a little out of control.

They annexed Crimea. Nobody did anything. They shot down a civilian airliner (or supplied the missiles/training). No consequences. Send in caravans of "Humanitarian Aid" that Ukraine didn't ask for. Crickets..

Then they just get on their media and deny everything.

Its hard to watch it all fall apart.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by bndr »

It's hard to analyse this kind of information considering that 100% of information on the site is pro-ukraine and mostly with citation of Ukrainian sources.

It may or may not be propaganda, but I don't feel like trusting the site.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by emeidi »

emeidi wrote: post #23
ollysb wrote: post #5

"Occupied Crimea" is a bit debatable isn't it? (seeing as the citizens voted for and celebrated joining with Russia)

Once I read "Occupied Crimea" I knew the map makers are biased, so don't waste your time on this site.

Ukrainian Downvoters?

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by IgorPartola »

akumen wrote: post #40

A quick scan on Russian sources shows no confirmation of a large scale invasion taking place. EU rhetoric also quickly changed since this morning and suddenly nobody is using the word "invasion" anymore. Ukraine crying "wolf", again until confirmed.

So Russia is known for having a strong propaganda machine. Moreover, Russia openly admitting that it is invading a sovereign nation though it's Kremlin-controlled media outlets (aka almost all media outlets in Russia) would mean trouble. So by Occam's Razor, Putin is telling the media he controls to cover up as much of this as possible.

The EU rhetoric is a bit more nuanced, but probably comes from a similar place: if Russia is "invading" Ukraine, EU might be compelled to do something, which would put them in the precarious political and military position: the EU depends on Russian natural gas. Also Russia has nukes which makes opposing them militarily very dangerous (think, starting WWIII dangerous).

What evidence do you have that Russia is not in fact invading Ukraine? How can you explain these events? Especially the NATO satellite photos showing Russian military forces across the border?

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by JacobEdelman »

IgorPartola wrote: post #33

I am continually astounded by the amount of support Russia receives from HN commenters. Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong that it reaches all the way to the Bay area, or are there a lot of Russians on here? What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine and what will be the NATO position at that point? I have no delusions that NATO will not engage in any military conflict, since nobody…

I am disappointed by the fact that while their are several comments supporting Russia almost all of them have been down voted a ton. You shouldn't down vote people just because you disagree with them.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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Post by legohead »

IgorPartola wrote: post #33

I am continually astounded by the amount of support Russia receives from HN commenters. Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong that it reaches all the way to the Bay area, or are there a lot of Russians on here? What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine and what will be the NATO position at that point? I have no delusions that NATO will not engage in any military conflict, since nobody…

it's hard to support either Ukraine or Russia - you definitely can't believe what either have to say.

Ukraine is still having protests in Kiev, and calling for impeachment of the person they just fought to have put in place there...

we can't cry foul at Russia arms/tanks showing up, considering what we give to Israel et al. also, considering Putin's track record, this is too brute force for him. he does things in such a way that make him look justified. it's hard to swallow.

NATO can't do anything. they say "no war", but how do you enforce no war? sanctions hurt, but can be lived with, that only leaves...more war

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