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Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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"Occupied Crimea" is a bit debatable isn't it? (seeing as the citizens voted for and celebrated joining with Russia)

Regardless of any referendums, legal or otherwise, is this internationally recognized as an annexation? Right now it's just occupied. That's technically correct.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

#32
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

relevant: https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII "@RealTimeWWII is a Twitter feed describing the events of World War II, created by British historian and Oxford grad Alwyn Collinson(...)."

Are they basing it on the right dates and wrong year, or is it simply starting from the creating of the page?

According to the Wikipedia page[1], "Collinson [the author] began the feed in late August 2011, to coincide with the start of World War II with the German Invasion of Poland in September 1939. He has tweeted the events of the war as they happened on each date and time exactly 72 years earlier."

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/@RealTimeWWII

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

#33
I am continually astounded by the amount of support Russia receives from HN commenters. Is it that the Russian propaganda so strong that it reaches all the way to the Bay area, or are there a lot of Russians on here?

What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine and what will be the NATO position at that point? I have no delusions that NATO will not engage in any military conflict, since nobody wants to start WWIII, but this has to be disturbing developments for countries like Poland, Romania, etc.

Also, I wonder if Putin is really willing to continue this invasion at the cost of being ex-communicated by the US and parts of Western Europe? I suppose he is currently banking that most of Western Europe depends on his natural gas, so they cannot completely shut him out.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

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post #9
post #5

"Occupied Crimea" is a bit debatable isn't it? (seeing as the citizens voted for and celebrated joining with Russia)

Apart from the problems of holding referendums while occupied, the referendum itself was not legal under neither Ukrainian nor Crimean law [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014...

I don't think the referendum was a particularly convincing one, but illegality under the law of the state being seceded from isn't a very convincing argument either. I mean, Ukraine's secession from the USSR was not legal under Soviet law. And Kosovo's wasn't legal under Serbian law. Consensual secession referenda, like the upcoming Scottish one, do happen on occasion, but are fairly unusual.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

#35
stop this madness already. I know this is HN, but common! There is something morbid in posting stuff like that and obsessing over it, especially when it is a blatant lie. Reddit has been overtaken by mass hysteria over Ukraine for months now and it is spilling to HN as well.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

#36
post #5

"Occupied Crimea" is a bit debatable isn't it? (seeing as the citizens voted for and celebrated joining with Russia)

Regardless of any referendums, legal or otherwise, is this internationally recognized as an annexation? Right now it's just occupied. That's technically correct.

What does international recognition matter if a people want something? I'm not commenting on the legality of the annexation, but I don't think international recognition (biased as it tends to be) matters.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

#37
post #6

Looks like propaganda. Didn't Ukrainian president Poroshenko say he had hard evidence that the rebels and Russia shot down fligth MH17? Where is it? All gone a bit quiet hasn't it? Every few days he makes new claims but never backs them up with evidence. Any Russian programmers want to comment? How does it feel for Russia to be constantly demonized? Even here on HackerNews, when was the last time there was any positi…

I am a Russian coder / data scientist. I am not sure if this particular map is propaganda or not, but I follow Russian, Ukrainian and international news and it seems pretty clear that Russian military is strongly supporting pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine:

- there are numerous stories and videos of Russian "volunteers" with heavy military grade weapons crossing Russian-Ukrainian border throughout the last several months. Some of them are captured by Ukrainian military. Some others are wounded or killed and taken back to Russia for treatment or burial

- pro-Russian rebel leaders often admit to direct Russian military help on video

- just several weeks ago Ukrainian military was advancing fast and getting close to crush the rebels in the last two large cities Lugansk and Donetsk. Suddenly, along with more information about Russian support, the situation reversed and the rebels are on the attack now

- Russia used a similar tactic in Crimea in March: first, suddenly numerous unidentified soldiers appeared on the peninsula and Russia denied they were from Russia. Later, when Crimea was annexed, Russia openly admitted to using "special forces" and rewarded its troops for a successful operation.

Russia may be constantly demonized in the Western media, but there are good reasons for it. Also, just to note, the situation with demonization is much worse inside Russia with extreme lies and propaganda over TV and official mass media.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

#39
post #19
post #6

Looks like propaganda. Didn't Ukrainian president Poroshenko say he had hard evidence that the rebels and Russia shot down fligth MH17? Where is it? All gone a bit quiet hasn't it? Every few days he makes new claims but never backs them up with evidence. Any Russian programmers want to comment? How does it feel for Russia to be constantly demonized? Even here on HackerNews, when was the last time there was any positi…

Russian propaganda account. People inside of Russia are hearing about how the West is demonizing Russia and fabricating controversy.

West, east... same shit. Snowden can't stay in his own country, Assange is prisoner of conscience. Michael Brown in Ferguson, Iraq and "weapons of mass destruction", etc... etc.

I'm from Russia, we have no much freedoms here, shitty healthcare, corruption and other crap, but when I look at the West, it comes to me that I have already seen it somewhere.

Re: Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine

#40
A quick scan on Russian sources shows no confirmation of a large scale invasion taking place. EU rhetoric also quickly changed since this morning and suddenly nobody is using the word "invasion" anymore. Ukraine crying "wolf", again until confirmed.
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