"Occupied Crimea" is a bit debatable isn't it? (seeing as the citizens voted for and celebrated joining with Russia)
Live map of Russia advancing into Ukraine
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
relevant: https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII "@RealTimeWWII is a Twitter feed describing the events of World War II, created by British historian and Oxford grad Alwyn Collinson(...)."
Are they basing it on the right dates and wrong year, or is it simply starting from the creating of the page?
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#33What I am wondering is when Russia will completely take over Ukraine and what will be the NATO position at that point? I have no delusions that NATO will not engage in any military conflict, since nobody wants to start WWIII, but this has to be disturbing developments for countries like Poland, Romania, etc.
Also, I wonder if Putin is really willing to continue this invasion at the cost of being ex-communicated by the US and parts of Western Europe? I suppose he is currently banking that most of Western Europe depends on his natural gas, so they cannot completely shut him out.
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#34"Occupied Crimea" is a bit debatable isn't it? (seeing as the citizens voted for and celebrated joining with Russia)
Apart from the problems of holding referendums while occupied, the referendum itself was not legal under neither Ukrainian nor Crimean law [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014...
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#36"Occupied Crimea" is a bit debatable isn't it? (seeing as the citizens voted for and celebrated joining with Russia)
Regardless of any referendums, legal or otherwise, is this internationally recognized as an annexation? Right now it's just occupied. That's technically correct.
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#37Looks like propaganda. Didn't Ukrainian president Poroshenko say he had hard evidence that the rebels and Russia shot down fligth MH17? Where is it? All gone a bit quiet hasn't it? Every few days he makes new claims but never backs them up with evidence. Any Russian programmers want to comment? How does it feel for Russia to be constantly demonized? Even here on HackerNews, when was the last time there was any positi…
- there are numerous stories and videos of Russian "volunteers" with heavy military grade weapons crossing Russian-Ukrainian border throughout the last several months. Some of them are captured by Ukrainian military. Some others are wounded or killed and taken back to Russia for treatment or burial
- pro-Russian rebel leaders often admit to direct Russian military help on video
- just several weeks ago Ukrainian military was advancing fast and getting close to crush the rebels in the last two large cities Lugansk and Donetsk. Suddenly, along with more information about Russian support, the situation reversed and the rebels are on the attack now
- Russia used a similar tactic in Crimea in March: first, suddenly numerous unidentified soldiers appeared on the peninsula and Russia denied they were from Russia. Later, when Crimea was annexed, Russia openly admitted to using "special forces" and rewarded its troops for a successful operation.
Russia may be constantly demonized in the Western media, but there are good reasons for it. Also, just to note, the situation with demonization is much worse inside Russia with extreme lies and propaganda over TV and official mass media.
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#38"Occupied Crimea" is a bit debatable isn't it? (seeing as the citizens voted for and celebrated joining with Russia)
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#39Looks like propaganda. Didn't Ukrainian president Poroshenko say he had hard evidence that the rebels and Russia shot down fligth MH17? Where is it? All gone a bit quiet hasn't it? Every few days he makes new claims but never backs them up with evidence. Any Russian programmers want to comment? How does it feel for Russia to be constantly demonized? Even here on HackerNews, when was the last time there was any positi…
Russian propaganda account. People inside of Russia are hearing about how the West is demonizing Russia and fabricating controversy.
I'm from Russia, we have no much freedoms here, shitty healthcare, corruption and other crap, but when I look at the West, it comes to me that I have already seen it somewhere.