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How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by amirmc »

maxerickson wrote: post #88
amirmc wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if you were being serious. Assuming you were, then 1400 words, presented as a wall of text, is an anathema to the short attention spans of many users. In addition, that 1400 words is a subset of around 5400 words for the Terms and use of software/services. We can debate whether people should be educating themselves about such terms but my point is (still) that it's impractical in the long term as we want…

Yes, I was serious. It's a $80 dollar device that you wear a significant amount of time. In that context, 15 or 20 minutes spent understanding what it does is not onerous. Note the comment I made earlier in another part of the thread where I said I pretty much refuse to use device+service combos like the one here.

In that case, I'm curious whether you use a smart phone (iOS/Android) and whether you've read all those documents too. That's typically a much higher-value product.

Also, recall that I said that a certain level of knowledge/understanding is required to even understand the basics.

> "I pretty much refuse to use device+service combos like the one here."

Could you elaborate why? Onerous T&Cs? No control of data? Don't care about such analytics?

My problem with how things are developing is that we end up in a world where either you resign yourself to the fact that you're constantly being data-mined or you become a digital hermit. There's very little that allows you to engage and retain control (without becoming a sysadmin).

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by maxerickson »

amirmc wrote: post #91
maxerickson wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I was serious. It's a $80 dollar device that you wear a significant amount of time. In that context, 15 or 20 minutes spent understanding what it does is not onerous. Note the comment I made earlier in another part of the thread where I said I pretty much refuse to use device+service combos like the one here.

In that case, I'm curious whether you use a smart phone (iOS/Android) and whether you've read all those documents too. That's typically a much higher-value product. Also, recall that I said that a certain level of knowledge/understanding is required to even understand the basics. > "I pretty much refuse to use device+service combos like the one here." Could you elaborate why? Onerous T&Cs? No control of data? Don't c…

I have an Android tablet, but not a smart phone. I'm not hugely careful with what I stick on there, but I think I've only shared my contacts with stuff like Hangouts and Skype (where the explicit purpose of the app is to contact people). I increasingly leave my cell phone sitting at home (mostly because I don't care about being reachable, not because I'm worried about network location pings). I take it with me if I'm going to be away for more than a couple hours.

As far as not using analytics, it's a combination of not caring (as an example, I run (maybe I should say jog?) regularly but don't time myself) and distaste over the way the data is managed.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by mgob »

Retric wrote: post #83
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comments like these make me think that the pro-privacy crowd is officially a cult. I just don't see the argument about anonymized data that you can opt-out of being such a threat to the end user. I love these types of analysis, especially the ones about dating from OK Cupid. Tivo used to reveal all sorts of interesting things about viewership that was very enlightening. I'd hate to lose this data just because a minor…

There is no such thing as completely anonymized data. And in this case there releasing information without the consent of their users. Sure, you might think that it's reasonable in this case but the important thing is users are not making that decision . So, as long as companies feel they can do anything they feel like with the data your only option is to completely opt out. Which means companies have no reason not t…

This isn't a question I have an answer to, but isn't it likely that users relinquish their right to data privacy when they sign a privacy policy and/or terms of use?

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by tel »

mgob wrote: post #94
Retric wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no such thing as completely anonymized data. And in this case there releasing information without the consent of their users. Sure, you might think that it's reasonable in this case but the important thing is users are not making that decision . So, as long as companies feel they can do anything they feel like with the data your only option is to completely opt out. Which means companies have no reason not t…

This isn't a question I have an answer to, but isn't it likely that users relinquish their right to data privacy when they sign a privacy policy and/or terms of use?

But they're probably not tremendously informed about this.

In clinical research it's considered unethical to take uninformed consent and a great deal of effort goes into educating participants on the risks and benefits of their contribution.

Such stuff is fantasy for modern EULAs though, which makes it sketchy when these entities do (public) research.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by sparkman55 »

batbomb wrote: post #63

Maybe more interesting is that Santa Cruz/Modesto people are early to bed/early to rise.

A number of people live in (beautiful!) Santa Cruz but commute over the hill to work in San Jose or elsewhere in Silicon Valley. It's a long commute on a treacherous but crowded mountain highway, so it's no surprise that they need to wake up early to beat traffic.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by TomAnthony »

amirmc wrote: post #41
TomAnthony wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Jawbone UP user and I have absolutely no problem with this anonymised data being used like this. It can make not only the product better but could also lead to useful research around sleep and health. If I want out then Jawbone has a handy 'remove all my data' option. People share all sorts of data in all sorts of places (as others have pointed out in this thread), and it is their own responsibility to read the…

> "... it is their own responsibility to read the T&Cs of those services." While some people may believe/feel this is reasonable, it has rapidly become impractical. Have you read the T&CS for all the services you use? Any idea how many pages of text that comes to? Did you also know that the reading level of most T&Cs requires college-level education (just to comprehend)? My point is that it is already impractical (&…

That is a good point - it is quite difficult to read and interpret all these sets of T&Cs these days. Something should be done to make these more accessible / standardised.

However, that is a problem that is equivalent across all facets of all services people use, and I think is independent from this problem.

The likelihood is that most people don't read the T&Cs and most people don't care about their data being used like this. But if someone is concerned about a particular facet of a service (privacy/data usage) then there is a place they can look and relatively easily find out what they need before signing up.

What can be done about the wider problem of T&Cs and how they are unwieldily is a tough one.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by lingc »

vamin wrote: post #99
lingc wrote: post #97

Very cool! The text says that 93% of the Napa area woke up, but the graphs shows 74%. I'm assuming the graph is off?

The graph is showing how many people are awake. The 93% number reflects the fact that some people were already awake before the quake.

Then according to the graph, 59/85 were awoken from sleep, which is about 71%.

59 awoken = 74 (awake at quake) - 15 (awake before the quake)

85 = 100 - 15 (awake before quake)

Maybe they are adjusting for other things that are not shown on the graph.

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