How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers • Hacker News Board

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by jinushaun » Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 1:35 PM UTC

amirmc wrote: post #41

TomAnthony wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Jawbone UP user and I have absolutely no problem with this anonymised data being used like this. It can make not only the product better but could also lead to useful research around sleep and health. If I want out then Jawbone has a handy 'remove all my data' option. People share all sorts of data in all sorts of places (as others have pointed out in this thread), and it is their own responsibility to read the…

> "... it is their own responsibility to read the T&Cs of those services." While some people may believe/feel this is reasonable, it has rapidly become impractical. Have you read the T&CS for all the services you use? Any idea how many pages of text that comes to? Did you also know that the reading level of most T&Cs requires college-level education (just to comprehend)? My point is that it is already impractical (&…

I still believe it's reasonable because once you've read one, you've read them all. They all pretty much say the same thing. Jawbone doing this or Facebook experimenting with the feed should not come as a surprise to anyone who has skimmed over a TOS.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by hack_edu » Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 1:42 PM UTC

morsch wrote: post #43

How useful do you find the sleep tracking to be? I've been using it for a couple of days now and I'm on the fence whether a simple movement tracker can really tell whether I'm in a deep or light sleep phase...

Think of it comparable the difference between "pop science" and "academic science" in book publishing. Its cool, and usually pretty informative, but largely just for fun or minor utility.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by maxerickson » Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 1:59 PM UTC

antr wrote: post #18

The fact that Jawbone has this information on their users (yes, I know they say it's aggregated and "anonymised" data) is pretty scary to me. In my opinion, this data should only be visible to each user, and no one else. I really doubt Jawbone users are aware that their UP devices are sending data to third-parties... it feels like 21st century shackles.

You don't need a sleep monitor to function in the 21st century.

If you try to take a Jawbone off, I believe it will take a few seconds.

I dislike these data collection and analysis as a service gadgets enough that I'm not using any of them, but I think you could be a little more considered in your criticism of them.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by minimaxir » Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 1:59 PM UTC

smackfu wrote: post #50

icebraining wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody said it was a study on the general population, only on the UP wearers population.

OTOH, if their sample size is the same as the population size, their data is by definition statistically significant.

Not even that. If the sample size in general is extremely large (irrespective of its proportion to the population size), than the results are statistically significant.

A sample size in the thousands counts as "extremely large."

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by hack_edu » Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 2:01 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #25

azunds wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine when NSA starts to publish such charts. They have really COOL data.

Sure they do. And they could do a lot of good with this data.

Post-Snowden PSA: Remember, they already have it if they want it.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by loumf » Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 2:10 PM UTC

zaius wrote: post #22

Interesting data. Some things that jumped out at me: 1. Apparently everyone in Santa Cruz goes to bed early and gets up early. 2. I would have expected bigger jumps on the hour. Maybe I'm the only one that sets my alarm on the hour though. 3. Why would there be dips in the AM? People hitting snooze perhaps? 4. How long do you have to moving for UP to think you're awake? How long do you have to be still for the UP to…

Since they don't say whether each line represents the same number of people, I would guess that an outlier line is just a smaller sample.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by pc86 » Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 2:13 PM UTC

jobigoud wrote: post #32

It's unfortunate but almost all Quantified Self devices work like this. You have to go through the device provider website to see your data. I wish there existed more engineer-friendly initiatives where you can install the data collection server, data store and analysis server on machines you control.

If these consumer-level devices are $100-200 a pop don't you think that would be prohibitively expensive for a decidedly smaller audience?

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by dwild » Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 2:27 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #9

minimaxir wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the point. Jawbone (and similar devices such as FitBits and Nike FuelBands) can detect whether the user is sleeping or not; this post asserts that the earthquake is the primary cause of the spike in sleep disruption at 3AM, which is a valid and supported hypothesis. As far as I know, these devices cannot detect the cause of death .

But the device detects movement doesn't it? Is it not able to detect seismic activity or any other force? So if a person was in a car accident or in an earthquake that would be something that can be measured. There are now devices that can tell what exercise you are doing just by being on your wrist.

I don't know much about this device but I guess it doesn't do continuous synchronization. I believe the user need to initiate it which won't happen if he die.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by joshdance » Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 2:30 PM UTC

antr wrote: post #18

The fact that Jawbone has this information on their users (yes, I know they say it's aggregated and "anonymised" data) is pretty scary to me. In my opinion, this data should only be visible to each user, and no one else. I really doubt Jawbone users are aware that their UP devices are sending data to third-parties... it feels like 21st century shackles.

How are they not aware the data is sent to 3rd parties? Isn't that a key feature of the device?

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by MadManE » Mon, Aug 25, 2014, 2:44 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #26

thawkins wrote: post #10

Who else finds this as creepy as hell.

Creepy is the new luddism, I think. Seriously, what the hell is so "creepy" about someone knowing your sleep pattern?

Nobody is saying that the technology is creepy. It's the fact that it's not at all private that's creepy.

As Uncle Ben said, "With great power comes responsibility." It's an awesome thing to have the power of "big data" to analyze your life and make better decisions. But "big data" needs to be responsible in how they handle that data (and their users' trust).