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How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by lukashed »

zaius wrote: post #22

Interesting data. Some things that jumped out at me: 1. Apparently everyone in Santa Cruz goes to bed early and gets up early. 2. I would have expected bigger jumps on the hour. Maybe I'm the only one that sets my alarm on the hour though. 3. Why would there be dips in the AM? People hitting snooze perhaps? 4. How long do you have to moving for UP to think you're awake? How long do you have to be still for the UP to…

> Maybe I'm the only one that sets my alarm on the hour though.

I assume most of the UP-wearers will use the "smart alarm" function on their wristband that will wake them at the "optimal moment" in their sleep cycle.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by jobigoud »

It's unfortunate but almost all Quantified Self devices work like this. You have to go through the device provider website to see your data.

I wish there existed more engineer-friendly initiatives where you can install the data collection server, data store and analysis server on machines you control.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by lfx »

antr wrote: post #18

The fact that Jawbone has this information on their users (yes, I know they say it's aggregated and "anonymised" data) is pretty scary to me. In my opinion, this data should only be visible to each user, and no one else. I really doubt Jawbone users are aware that their UP devices are sending data to third-parties... it feels like 21st century shackles.

Quote from [1] Jawbone Privacy page: "We may share your Information with third parties to provide services on our behalf such as to process payments, or to store information collected through our site, app, and services." Does this statement allows them to use users data for this purpose?

[1] https://jawbone.com/legal/privacy

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by thaumasiotes »

lfx wrote: post #33
antr wrote: post #18

The fact that Jawbone has this information on their users (yes, I know they say it's aggregated and "anonymised" data) is pretty scary to me. In my opinion, this data should only be visible to each user, and no one else. I really doubt Jawbone users are aware that their UP devices are sending data to third-parties... it feels like 21st century shackles.

Quote from [1] Jawbone Privacy page: "We may share your Information with third parties to provide services on our behalf such as to process payments, or to store information collected through our site, app, and services." Does this statement allows them to use users data for this purpose? [1] https://jawbone.com/legal/privacy

Well, we the general web audience aren't providing any services to UP wearers on behalf of Jawbone, and they're not giving us the data to store (that is, they're not asking us to store it), so that quote doesn't allow such a sharing of an UP wearer's data. However, they might be willing to argue that sharing aggregated data isn't the same thing as sharing your personal data; it wouldn't be a totally ridiculous idea.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by dredmorbius »

lfx wrote: post #28
dredmorbius wrote: post #21

Since Jawbone apparently don't know how to post a simple image for old-school browsers: http://blogs-images.forbes.com/dandiamond/files/2014/08/Jawb... And for those who've noted that the NSA are going to have all the cool data, after seeing this chart, I'm pretty sure they'll start tapping into Jawbone as well.

But this is not simple image. This is interactive chart. You can hover lines and get some info via tool tip. Apparently you are using quite old browser, if you don't mind asking you? Since D3js, the lib used to generate SVG, supports majority of browsers[1]. [1] https://github.com/mbostock/d3/wiki#browser--platform-suppor...

You are correct. I am using an old browser.

It does date from the present decade, however. It's not that old. I'm somewhat amused by the number of sites which fail to work properly (some at all) with it.

Imgur is entirely dead. Reddit I can read, but moderation and reply buttons don't work. I hit the beta rollout of a news site last night (apparently part of their A/B test) and found that among the features which failed to work was the "opt out of beta" button.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by projectmayhem »

antr wrote: post #18

The fact that Jawbone has this information on their users (yes, I know they say it's aggregated and "anonymised" data) is pretty scary to me. In my opinion, this data should only be visible to each user, and no one else. I really doubt Jawbone users are aware that their UP devices are sending data to third-parties... it feels like 21st century shackles.

As an UP user, I think Jawbone make it pretty obvious when using their app that you're sending data up to a server, and as others have pointed out, the EULA explains that this data can be used elsewhere.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by TomAnthony »

antr wrote: post #18

The fact that Jawbone has this information on their users (yes, I know they say it's aggregated and "anonymised" data) is pretty scary to me. In my opinion, this data should only be visible to each user, and no one else. I really doubt Jawbone users are aware that their UP devices are sending data to third-parties... it feels like 21st century shackles.

I'm a Jawbone UP user and I have absolutely no problem with this anonymised data being used like this. It can make not only the product better but could also lead to useful research around sleep and health.

If I want out then Jawbone has a handy 'remove all my data' option.

People share all sorts of data in all sorts of places (as others have pointed out in this thread), and it is their own responsibility to read the T&Cs of those services.

I agree that data privacy is important for those who want theirs protected. But in this instance, people have chosen to wear their UP and have T&Cs which notify them of the usage. If they later change their mind then they have the option to have their data removed.

I can't see how any of that equates to 'shackles', but agree from some POVs it could be considered 'scary'.

Re: How the Napa Earthquake Affected Bay Area Sleepers

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Post by icebraining »

jobigoud wrote: post #34

"All results are statistically significant." Isn't this an overly optimistic claim? Surely people using a sleep tracking device do not form an unbiased sample of the general population when it comes to sleep patterns?

Nobody said it was a study on the general population, only on the UP wearers population.
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