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Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by acdha »

rwmj wrote: post #13

I do use Firefox, through inertia, but honestly it's not a good browser. It consumes 50%+ CPU constantly. It uses huge amounts of RAM. It crashes from time to time. Every few months I end up losing all my open tabs permanently. There's no isolation (process per tab). And they keep making gratuitous changes to the UI that don't improve the real UI problems but do require searching through about:config to revert them.…

That CPU and RAM consumption is likely due to extensions (AdBlock Plus being the most common hog). Unless you're running a really old version, Firefox is usually smaller than Chrome these days.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by allegory »

codeflo wrote: post #17

As someone who switches browsers about every six months, I feel that Firefox is still quite a bit behind in terms of stability and performance. I mostly blame the single-process model, which makes crashes and hangups way more global than they should be in 2014. On Windows, there's also the 32-bit issue. On machines with 8+ GB of RAM, having all tabs share a 2 GB address space just doesn't cut it. Especially when your…

I disagree. I'm having to force quit Chrome about 5 times a day on OSX and it breaks with amazing regularity on my android phone.

Not joking but Firefox just works for me.

It's annoying because, despite warning to the contrary here, the Google ecosystem just works.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by dalek_cannes »

ekianjo wrote: post #16

This guy writes against Google world domination using Blogger. A good example of how to shoot down your credibility. But hey, he is a hacker. Looks like its out of a hackers reach to host your blog. But choose Mozilla. By the way isnt Mozilla like 90 percent financed by Google?

Isn't that a good reason as any to not put all our eggs in the Google basket? One of the two major browsers and two major blogging platforms are already run by Google; the world's biggest search engine; the dominant mobile platform; the most used free email/map service, to name a few. I love Google, so I don't want it to get to a point where corporate execs can turn it into something that its founders didn't intend it to be.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by higherpurpose »

I expect 2 things from Firefox before I consider seriously switching:

1) Bring security sandboxing already.

2) Fix the terrible rendering on Android. Seriously, Firefox has literally the worst rendering out of all mobile browsers. And by worst, I mean slowest. I don't know whether it's some kind of on purpose delayed rendering, or if it's just that slow, but they need to change that. It's especially more obvious on lower-end phones (where Firefox OS is supposedly making a big push).

Also, after all this time, Opera Classic (not the new one) is still my preferred browser on Android. It acts the way it should when double tapping (makes the page big and usable). Chrome/new Opera don't really do anything when double tapped. And it has the fastest rendering.

It also still has a great mobile browser UI. I don't know what Opera did with the new one, but they totally killed that UI in it. Anyway, my point is, Firefox could learn a thing or two from Opera Classic for mobile.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by allegory »

tachion wrote: post #50
wingerlang wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I modified an existing theme [0] and now it looks like this http://imgur.com/kkXpFHX still not pretty but it stays out of the way so I don't really care at the moment. [0] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/littlefox-for...

I dont mean to insult you, but this looks just ugly, and the UI seems to be way too small to be used with comfort. I wonder if there's really no way to stop Firefox from wasting that space above the tabs, just like Chrome does it...

Do you look at the mantle piece whilst poking the fire ;)

Personally I wouldn't care if it looked ugly as long as it renders stuff right.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by bostik »

babby wrote: post #34
codeflo wrote: post #17

As someone who switches browsers about every six months, I feel that Firefox is still quite a bit behind in terms of stability and performance. I mostly blame the single-process model, which makes crashes and hangups way more global than they should be in 2014. On Windows, there's also the 32-bit issue. On machines with 8+ GB of RAM, having all tabs share a 2 GB address space just doesn't cut it. Especially when your…

Multi process is coming soon, it will be enabled by default at version 35 in nightly. I feel the same way about Firefox's performance. If it can be overcome, I'd not have a reason to touch Chrome again.

> * Multi process is coming soon, it will be enabled by default at version 35 in nightly.*

Please let that be true. Do you have links at hand where these near-future roadmap decisions could be tracked?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by higherpurpose »

srean wrote: post #43

Almost every other comment that have been posted so far are complaining that FF tabs are not independent processes. Let me express my contrarian opinion. For my use case FF is just excellent and has served me well, I have absolutely no complains now. There was a time when FF leaked, and held a lot of memory, that time has since passed, at least seams so. I regularly keep several hundreds of tabs open for months on en…

I want the independent processes for security reasons, not memory reasons. Firefox continues to be the most hackable browser because it's lacking that, and also a terrible choice for Tor, as long as it doesn't get it.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by allegory »

specialp wrote: post #54

This is actually very true. Having Chrome/V8 out there has definitely improved the state of browsers as far as performance; especially in regards to JavaScript. But now we face a situation where Google is getting such a market share with Chrome and their other web properties where lock in is a very real possibility, and the only way to keep an open, standardized web is to make sure there are still other browsers with…

Firefox built in dev tools are clunky as anything, right down to not being able to resize bits so you can see the data in the panels. However firebug fixes that instantly.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by higherpurpose »

specialp wrote: post #54

This is actually very true. Having Chrome/V8 out there has definitely improved the state of browsers as far as performance; especially in regards to JavaScript. But now we face a situation where Google is getting such a market share with Chrome and their other web properties where lock in is a very real possibility, and the only way to keep an open, standardized web is to make sure there are still other browsers with…

Lock-in has already begun on Chrome. Now you can't install Chrome extensions from anywhere else but the Chrome store (which means only stuff Google agrees with). Chrome is as closed-down as iOS and WP8 right now (For shame, Google!). It's actually the main reasons I'm waiting to switch from it soon. But not until Firefox gets a security sandbox.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Post by jtmoulia »

zobzu wrote: post #33
jtmoulia wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's something I miss from running Linux: there were far more minimal browser options. - Midori http://midori-browser.org/ - GNOME Web https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Web - rekonq http://rekonq.kde.org/

For I use Linux, i find these browsers cool but you wont uninstall chrome and firefox. Only chrome and firefox work for ALL sites properly...

Yup, my post was a bit incomplete: I loved to play with those browsers, but they always left me feeling frustrated. I was hoping that times had changed, but your response seems to say that hasn't happened yet.
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