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Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Almost every other comment that have been posted so far are complaining that FF tabs are not independent processes. Let me express my contrarian opinion. For my use case FF is just excellent and has served me well, I have absolutely no complains now. There was a time when FF leaked, and held a lot of memory, that time has since passed, at least seams so. I regularly keep several hundreds of tabs open for months on en…

As a Firefox stalwart, my only sustained complaint about it is that the plug-in architecture is pretty crappy, but that's mostly a minor complaint so long as you avoid installing anything but very well understood and mature plug-ins. Chrome doesn't do all that much better here, since although its plugin architecture doesn't suffer quite so badly reliability-wise, plugins can still violate your privacy pretty much arbitrarily (modulo the relevant appstore blacklisting it, which is a pretty impotent reactive measure, as we've seen).

Firefox memory usage has always been, and I suppose will likely to continue to be far ahead of Chrome, since the desktop implementation is now largely identical to that used in Firefox OS.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #69
post #43

Almost every other comment that have been posted so far are complaining that FF tabs are not independent processes. Let me express my contrarian opinion. For my use case FF is just excellent and has served me well, I have absolutely no complains now. There was a time when FF leaked, and held a lot of memory, that time has since passed, at least seams so. I regularly keep several hundreds of tabs open for months on en…

Have to agree: For me firefox performance is much better. I currently have 413 tabs open, use a 3 year old lenovo laptop, everything works flawless and is responsive, unlike chrome.

what tab addon do you use?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #63

> Google is bent on establishing platform domination unlike anything we've ever seen, even from late-1990s Microsoft. With `bent` you mean like they're trying to build the best products people would want to use? What should they do instead, not try as hard? > Google controls Android, which is winning; Chrome, which is winning; and key Web properties in Search, Youtube, Gmail and Docs, which are all winning. IOTW succ…

No they should try as hard as they can. Bent meaning look at the amount of resources they put in to have a piece in every aspect of someone's internet/app experience.

The reason why they got involved with everything is that they faced threats to their web business from other companies bent on dominating the whole platform (web/cloud apps) This is a good thing too.

But as developers and techies we know what happens when one company becomes too dominant. This benevolent create competition part could end up with us being in the same situation the web was in 10 years ago. We can all get lazy and say well Chrome is great and so are a lot of these web services Google makes that are slowly but surely moving away from standards. But the tech community possesses the resources to help keep Google honest, and Firefox is a major tool in that.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #61

I agree with Paul Graham on this one. "Has any other company grown to Google's size and remained as benevolent? (Not saying they're perfect, just the best that big.)" ( https://twitter.com/paulg/status/495948643149426688 ) I'll stick with Chrome for now as I find it slightly better than firefox.

That's not a word that comes to mind when I think of Google+

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #63

> Google is bent on establishing platform domination unlike anything we've ever seen, even from late-1990s Microsoft. With `bent` you mean like they're trying to build the best products people would want to use? What should they do instead, not try as hard? > Google controls Android, which is winning; Chrome, which is winning; and key Web properties in Search, Youtube, Gmail and Docs, which are all winning. IOTW succ…

Exactly. The reason Google succeeded is because they made really good (often the best available to date) products. I think whatever type of "monopoly" they now enjoy is well deserved, and apparently, they still don't abuse it and crank out great products instead.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #16

This guy writes against Google world domination using Blogger. A good example of how to shoot down your credibility. But hey, he is a hacker. Looks like its out of a hackers reach to host your blog. But choose Mozilla. By the way isnt Mozilla like 90 percent financed by Google?

Yes this is true which is even more risky for the fate of a standardized web. Right now and in the past it was very important for Google to do this for 2 reasons: 1. They get to be the default search for a huge amount of people, and 2: They support someone who was making a competing product against another company doing lock-in for their own benefit (Microsoft). However, what if one day Google Chrome has 70%+ market…

> However, what if one day Google Chrome has 70%+ market share?

Oh, I agree with the tonality of the article, alright, but i don't subscribe in the "White Knight Firefox" story. Firefox is in bed with Google already, I don't like one bit what they did with the recent update and UI changes, and the performance of the browser in general is so bad it's not wonder people are switching to Chrome.

We need a much better competitor than Firefox if we want to fight against Chrome's domination.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have to agree: For me firefox performance is much better. I currently have 413 tabs open, use a 3 year old lenovo laptop, everything works flawless and is responsive, unlike chrome.

what tab addon do you use?

Not op, but I just use the built-in one. On OS X, press CMD+shift+e and you'll get a overview of tab groups, you can create new groups, etc. I have a "main" group (the default one) and one group per pet project, subject, etc. I tend to use these instead of bookmarks, since they stay around even if the browser crashes.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #9

Please remind me why Google is the default search engine in Firefox.

Because they figured they'd get more money from sharing ad dollars through Google search than they could do through Bing I would guess. Does anyone know if their Google partnership is worldwide or do they work with Baidu/Yandex in other parts of the world?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have to agree: For me firefox performance is much better. I currently have 413 tabs open, use a 3 year old lenovo laptop, everything works flawless and is responsive, unlike chrome.

what tab addon do you use?

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