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Slightly different, but surely related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rat... Getting on for nearly 1 in 1,000 people in jail! wow!
Worse, nearly 1 in 100.
Oops. Clearly I needed more coffee.
Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
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#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please understand that this is a racist comment.
My first reaction was that it reads to be about American culture (and wonder if 'schrodinger' is Swedish, racism accusations are used as often as "hej" these days). My second reaction is trying to replace 'white' with 'black'. Also, considering the heterogeneity of different parts of USA... OK, racist.
Culture.
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#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
The U.S. is overly protective of children and young adults. We can't drink alcohol until 21 and many cities have curfew laws for kids up to the age of 16 or so. My city has a curfew for those 16 and under. They can't be out after 11 pm during the week and after 12:30 am on weekends.
Well, I don't know; why are 15 year olds walking the streets at 1 a.m.? Something is wrong there 99.99% of the time. I don't think they should be arrested though, just returned home. I had cuffs thrown on me for curfew when I was 16 or so. No arrest, but seriously, cuffed and thrown into a pen.
This kind of thinking, right here is a problem. The "something is wrong there" assumption is wrong all too often. The assumption that the situation requires cops is wrong too - the wrong thing is most likely a parenting issue and should be dealt with by parents.
Do not take me wrong, I do plan to restrict my kids movements in age appropriate ways and if they are out at 1 a.m. it better be for good reason and with my prior approval.
However, even if it is without mu approval, the appropriate punishment is not cuffing nor arresting them. That kind of thing should be reserved for potential criminals that are flight risk or about to be violent. Teaching teens that arrests are normal part of life and done for normal growing up infractions teenagers occasionally commit in all parts of world is inherently wrong.
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#304Used to dream of living in the US, moving our business there. Not just due to this, but the more I read and learn about the US, the more that is exposed about the US, the less I now want to live there.
Every country has its problems, but among western nations it's an outlier in many ways: the police state, militarisation, surveillance, car dependence, obesity, love of guns, poverty, crime, absolute zero trust in government, culture of suing, lobbying, "democracy", horrendous health-care system etc. For me it was just too much, I couldn't take it so I moved back. It's not that my life was bad or directly affected by most of these things except in a few instances. As a healthy, young, childless engineer I was truly privileged in this kind of society, but I realised I don't want to live in a society where almost everybody else suffers. I always enjoyed American culture, that's one of the reasons why I tried living there in the first place, but I think I can enjoy it better from afar.
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't agree. School in Western Europe can be a horrifying experience where the only solution is that the person being beaten up transfers to another school. Nothing is done about the people beating.
Emphasis on can . Of course it can, there is always outliers and there is nothing that can be done about that. However I would guess that in the majority of cases people beating do get handled. I am just guessing. Are you just guessing too or do you have some hard evidence or statistics to back your claim?
My personal experience and that of other members of my family is in line with Kiro's claim. Not very strong evidence, but it's what I've got.
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#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure what the data looks like for your reference on black vs. white drug use since the original data isn't there. Some data indicates there is a 23% higher level of drug use among blacks than whites [1, Table 1.19B]. That would explain _some_ of the higher arrest rates of blacks for drug crimes. [1] http://www.samhsa.gov/data/NSDUH/2012SummNatFindDetTables/De...
Some data indicates there is a 23% higher level of drug use among blacks than whites My quote was "whites and blacks are known to use use and sell at about the same rates " - your link shows 8.7% of whites use drugs vs 10.0% of blacks in the past month, and 15.9% of whites used drugs vs 18.7 in the past year (and when looking at lifetime use, that usage flips) - I think "about the same rates" is a fair characterizati…
When we're talking about a 20% difference in arrest rates, if the difference between drug use rates is >10% I don't think it's fair to characterize that as "about the same".
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#307Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see it as a gray zone at all. There is a public record for a reason, as well as libel/slander laws in the U.S. The search engines and the Internet just think those don't matter. They are wrong, and the courts will continue to tweak the verbiage and hand down rulings until they adhere to them. - If a local paper published the home address of a woman who was a private citizen in their paper, every single day, a…
> If a person is convicted of a crime, does 10 years in prison, and serves their debt to society, that's still public record. An employer can find it even without doing a Google search, although that's what people are claiming is a 'grey area' The big difference between now and the pre-Google days was that there were some checks and balances on the public record. Yes, I could find out that someone had been arrested,…
Actually, most employers pre-Internet would get background checks from a single service for $8-$30. I knew a guy who started a company offering just this and always had plenty of business. Still does.
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#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see it as a gray zone at all. There is a public record for a reason, as well as libel/slander laws in the U.S. The search engines and the Internet just think those don't matter. They are wrong, and the courts will continue to tweak the verbiage and hand down rulings until they adhere to them. - If a local paper published the home address of a woman who was a private citizen in their paper, every single day, a…
Those are legitimate concerns. How about the cases when a politician said something racist/bigoted 10 years ago. He wants them expunged now because his views are different. How do you differentiate political convenience from legitimate change in views? Also to clarify the two points you've mentioned Google does not generate the data. The data has to be public somewhere. If google is not doing the indexing, some other…
If you said something in a public forum, you can't have it expunged. You can address previous remarks, you can state a thousand times that you were wrong, but it cannot and should not be expunged.
I don't see why someone's arrest record should be hidden unless they were exonerated or there were specific circumstances for doing so.
We're not asking search engines to ignore public data. The EU is telling search engines to ignore incorrect/defamatory data because the EU doesn't have the protection laws that the U.S. has.