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Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

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Clarification: over 40% of young men in the US have been arrested. (It is ambiguous whether "youths" refers to both sexes.) (It is also possible to interpret the headline as saying that 40% of all youths worldwide have been in the US at some point, during which they were arrested, but I doubt many people were confused by that.)

>It is also possible to interpret the headline as saying that 40% of all youths worldwide have been in the US at some point

Is it really possible to reasonably interpret the title in this way? Really really?

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

#52
post #18

One key point with this study is that it only covers people who were born between 1980 and 1984, and follows them through their lives. The summary articles tend to ignore that, and imply the same stats apply to people born in all years.

Do you have reason to believe that people born during that window are particularly jail-prone?

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

#53
If this is even close to correct (and I'm betting it is) we have a serious problem in the country.

The solution seems obvious. Stop arresting for minor drug offenses and victimless crimes like underage alcohol possession. Watch the number go back down to reasonable levels.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

#54
Sounds bad, but assuming an arrest under 23 can happen any time between the ages of, say, 7 and 22, that's actually 2.7% in any given year, or roughly 1 in every 40 male children.

It almost certainly points to police officers arresting children en masse in order to discover the real perpetrator rather than any child criminality epidemic.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

#55

I find this frankly implausible. What percentage of people you know have been arrested? I'm guessing very small (even assuming that many hide it and so you're knowledge is substantially skewed). So maybe that's because of your high/squeaky-clean socio-economic class? No: imagine yourself in any class you care to. Unless that class is much, much larger than your "real" class, then it would have to have an astronomical…

I aligns to previously known data and studies that >50% of all black men in the age group 18-60 were in US prisons.

I didn't know about the rates of young whites and hispanics. But given the enormous prisoner numbers in the US it also sounds plausible.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

#56
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 'right to be forgotten' is impossible to enforce. We just need to be more forgiving.

The right to be forgotten lies in a gray zone. Who is going to be the judge of what needs to be forgotten and what can stay public ?

I don't see it as a gray zone at all. There is a public record for a reason, as well as libel/slander laws in the U.S. The search engines and the Internet just think those don't matter. They are wrong, and the courts will continue to tweak the verbiage and hand down rulings until they adhere to them.

- If a local paper published the home address of a woman who was a private citizen in their paper, every single day, and her crazy ex-husband used that information to locate her and kill her, the newspaper would be liable. But the Internet does that all of the time and claims that it's free speech.

- If a person is convicted of a crime, does 10 years in prison, and serves their debt to society, that's still public record. An employer can find it even without doing a Google search, although that's what people are claiming is a 'grey area'. Is it 'fair' that the person's name immediately turns up their arrest record as the #1 result? Well, 'fair' and having done 10 years in prison don't really add up.

Here's the thing - in the U.S., people are up in arms over the 'right to be forgotten' and claiming it violates free speech. But that's not really true. Today, if there is inaccurate information about you - like, say, Google links to a website that says you were busted smoking crack in a nearby schoolyard, but it is completely untrue - you can go after the offending site and they will have to remove it under U.S. laws, and that means Google's links will evaporate. But this isn't the case in the E.U., where this law was passed.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

#57
post #9
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do arrest records show up in background checks by employers?

I believe only convictions / guilty pleas in the US.

Nope. Everything. Forever.

I have never been convicted of a crime, but I do have felony arrests on my record that have prevented me from getting an apartment, and hindered me from getting into a university.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

#58
I think that this trend, at least in part, has been influenced by a change in the way that we treat adolescent crime. For example, even when I was a kid (early 90's) you would not get arrested for getting into a fist fight at school. Nowadays, bam; call the cops.

Get caught with some pot? Arrested. Get caught performing some petty vandalization? Arrested. Get caught at a party drinking as a minor? Arrested. We arrest kids for things that they used to just get a slap on the wrist/call to mom & dad for. Now they get a court date.

We throw the cuffs on kids much more readily than we used to 20, 30, 40+ years ago.

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

#59

I find this frankly implausible. What percentage of people you know have been arrested? I'm guessing very small (even assuming that many hide it and so you're knowledge is substantially skewed). So maybe that's because of your high/squeaky-clean socio-economic class? No: imagine yourself in any class you care to. Unless that class is much, much larger than your "real" class, then it would have to have an astronomical…

I believe it, most arrests would fall into: - truancy (skipping school) - petty theft - underage drinking - DUI - drug possession (mostly marijuana) Now think about how many people you know who have ever done one of those things.

Good list, I'd also add:

- trespassing - political protests

Re: Study: Half of black males, 40% of white males arrested by age 23

#60
post #38
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ya, stuff like that is why we need a right to be forgotten in the US. People tend to see an arrest and leap to conclusions. I say this as a person who has never been arrested. :/

You might also want to do something about those arrest rates. Treat the disease, not the symptoms.

I'll get right on that as soon as I take over the world.

You assume I'm happy about the arrest rates, I'm not. However, I don't have any real ability to change them besides not voting for "tough on crime" politicians. I already do that for all the good it does.

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