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Re: It's Different for Girls

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Post by obvious_throw »

alukima wrote: post #150
ars wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes you wonder about how many women do accept such offers and get ahead that way. Which is "unfair" in a way to the men who don't have such an option. I'm really curious about the numbers here - what percent of women have ever agreed to such offers for the purpose of getting ahead (at any point in their lifetime). I'm hoping the number is in the single digits, because if it's higher this type of harassment will nev…

Seriously? What do you think is more likely to happen if the woman submits?- 1. She gets a promotion she doesn't totally doesn't deserve because she submitted to sexual harassment by her her boss at work. She's happy about this. 2. She submits to sexual harassment because she is afraid she'll lose her job if she doesn't. She feels dirty and exploited. And this is unfair to men how? Because they don't have to put up w…

#3: She files suit, and wins, because the legal climate surrounding harassment cases is overwhelmingly in her favor and she knows it.

I can't take claims of the above seriously in the US, because women are 100% legally protected from professional retribution when declining said "deals". I can't speak to outside the US, but here, the protections are vast and absolute.

It's not 1913 anymore, any anybody who claims otherwise needs to wake up to the current legal reality.

Re: It's Different for Girls

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Post by monochr »

enraged_camel wrote: post #117

I have an ex-coworker who is a really attractive girl, and she used to tell me lots of stories like this about places she had worked at previously. Vice presidents calling her to their room and offering her promotions if only she would give them weekly blowjobs, prospective customers turning away from million-dollar deals at the last minute after she refused to sleep with them, etc. The really sad thing about is that…

"and she used to tell me lots of stories like this about places she had worked at previously. Vice presidents calling her to their room and offering her promotions if only she would give them weekly blowjobs, prospective customers turning away from million-dollar deals at the last minute after she refused to sleep with them,"

When you can use your mobile as a universal recording device and you carry it everywhere I find stories like this incredibly hard to believe.

Is it that hard to download a recording app, like the aclu police recording app, and have the most water tight sexual harassment suit ever? I mean you don't need to know that's happening before hand, when things start to get weird just say you got a text message and start recording.

At the end of the day remember that stories are just that, and people, both men and women, lie. Without evidence believing anyone because they are a woman is just as sexist as the people who supposedly made those passes on her.

Re: It's Different for Girls

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Post by mindslight »

cinquemb wrote: post #230
mindslight wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just a human response, but one that matches theirs. Attempting rational analysis in the presence of an angry mob is not a good idea - your only real options are to actively join in the fun, or stay at home with the lights off.

> Attempting rational analysis in the presence of an angry mob is not a good idea - your only real options are to actively join in the fun, or stay at home with the lights off. Probably great advice for the meatspace, but I question if such needs to be the lowest common denominator for online interactions. But I guess some people must be thinking: "How could this person not derive any pleasure/fun from deriding anoth…

Well the online consequences are a lot less serious. The possibility of some downvotes is not dissuading either one of us from carrying on saying what we think. I said what I did mainly to point out that this whole thread is indeed mob behavior, because the phenomenon seems have gotten really bad in this community lately. But even if I do get greyed out, it doesn't really matter because a few people will still read nuance and see that there are indeed people who don't agree but aren't just part of a rival mob. In meatspace, my voice would have been drowned out by the jeers of the day ("faggot" (1995), "traitor" (2005), "privileged" (2015), etc), so that's some incremental improvement to be thankful for.

I don't really think it's a thought of "why don't you take pleasure joining in", but a very base judgment of whether someone is with-us or against-us. Since you're not outraged at this very important subject, you must not share my values. And since you have different values, you must be a contributor to the problem.

Re: It's Different for Girls

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Post by sp332 »

monochr wrote: post #242
enraged_camel wrote: post #117

I have an ex-coworker who is a really attractive girl, and she used to tell me lots of stories like this about places she had worked at previously. Vice presidents calling her to their room and offering her promotions if only she would give them weekly blowjobs, prospective customers turning away from million-dollar deals at the last minute after she refused to sleep with them, etc. The really sad thing about is that…

"and she used to tell me lots of stories like this about places she had worked at previously. Vice presidents calling her to their room and offering her promotions if only she would give them weekly blowjobs, prospective customers turning away from million-dollar deals at the last minute after she refused to sleep with them," When you can use your mobile as a universal recording device and you carry it everywhere I f…

That's not legal as evidence in many states. Both people must be aware that they are being recorded or the recording is illegal.

Re: It's Different for Girls

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Post by nancye »

rando289 wrote: post #216
enraged_camel wrote: post #117

I have an ex-coworker who is a really attractive girl, and she used to tell me lots of stories like this about places she had worked at previously. Vice presidents calling her to their room and offering her promotions if only she would give them weekly blowjobs, prospective customers turning away from million-dollar deals at the last minute after she refused to sleep with them, etc. The really sad thing about is that…

“Every time I see the word ‘Girl’ used in scenarios that are supposed to empower women, it really grates on me,” http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/01/30/girls-lad... It bothers me too. The article is otherwise great. google, define: girl "1. a female child. 2. a young or relatively young woman." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl : "A girl is any female human from birth through childhood and adolescence to…

The use of 'girl' to refer to women often bothers me as well, but in this case, it's a reference to a song title: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_Different_for_Girls

Re: It's Different for Girls

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Post by Aloisius »

jonathankoren wrote: post #173

I really wish she would name names. This sort of conduct shouldn't be tolerated.

Agreed. Frankly, the hands on the crotch moved well past shouldn't-be-tolerated and to should-have-been-prosecuted.

I know it is a hassle dealing with the police and the legal system, but good god until a few of these assholes get publicly shamed and thrown in jail for a while, I'm not sure we're ever going to be rid of them.

Re: It's Different for Girls

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Post by forgottenpass »

beaner wrote: post #147
enraged_camel wrote: post #117

I have an ex-coworker who is a really attractive girl, and she used to tell me lots of stories like this about places she had worked at previously. Vice presidents calling her to their room and offering her promotions if only she would give them weekly blowjobs, prospective customers turning away from million-dollar deals at the last minute after she refused to sleep with them, etc. The really sad thing about is that…

Don't understand why we don't start naming and shaming. It's a lot easier to not see as a real problem when it's always stories of nameless men in unspecified locations and situations. And the kinds people who are prone to this behavior are being given a free pass, only to do it again later.

Why shaming? Isn't this shit outright illegal? There is time to worry about shaming after the lawsuits.

Re: It's Different for Girls

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Post by dmoy »

monochr wrote: post #242
enraged_camel wrote: post #117

I have an ex-coworker who is a really attractive girl, and she used to tell me lots of stories like this about places she had worked at previously. Vice presidents calling her to their room and offering her promotions if only she would give them weekly blowjobs, prospective customers turning away from million-dollar deals at the last minute after she refused to sleep with them, etc. The really sad thing about is that…

"and she used to tell me lots of stories like this about places she had worked at previously. Vice presidents calling her to their room and offering her promotions if only she would give them weekly blowjobs, prospective customers turning away from million-dollar deals at the last minute after she refused to sleep with them," When you can use your mobile as a universal recording device and you carry it everywhere I f…

If this is in California, would a tape recorded by one party without consent of both parties be admissible in court? I was under the impression that California was two party consent.

Re: It's Different for Girls

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Post by lutorm »

selmnoo wrote: post #142
evilduck wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think another important thing to consider is that not everyone who takes offense to another's use of language is always a victim, but they'll gladly play the role of victim if we allow it. Sometimes people are actively looking to be offended. Take this one for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1zGRUPztc

> Sometimes people are actively looking to be offended. Take this one for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1zGRUPztc That reminds me of a conversation I had nearly a decade ago with a black (African immigrant) friend. I don't remember the details, but basically he said that he was annoyed that the words "dark" and "black" had negative connotations. I knew him well enough to know that he wasn't trolling, and…

On the one hand, it seems clear that the cultural association of darkness as bad has nothing do to with racism. But does anyone know if cultures whose people have dark skin do not have the same connotations?

Re: It's Different for Girls

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Post by monochr »

sp332 wrote: post #244
monochr wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"and she used to tell me lots of stories like this about places she had worked at previously. Vice presidents calling her to their room and offering her promotions if only she would give them weekly blowjobs, prospective customers turning away from million-dollar deals at the last minute after she refused to sleep with them," When you can use your mobile as a universal recording device and you carry it everywhere I f…

That's not legal as evidence in many states. Both people must be aware that they are being recorded or the recording is illegal.

And there are states, such as Liberia, where sexual harassment laws aren't applicable. Just because you live in a medieval jurisdiction doesn't mean the rest of us are.
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