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Post by dhimes »

grellas wrote: post #538

Think about what it means to the HN culture to have a subject that normally would have been flagged out of existence as overtly political suddenly be featured front and center in the apparent belief that ideological purity is now a litmus test for who can serve on a board of directors in the startup world. In a free society, people can unite in their business ventures even though they might be far apart in how they v…

We can disagree. But she was a participant in something that I find horrible. I was one of the people she and her group fooled at the time.

Yes, indeed, I will hold it against her. Her morality is abhorrent, and it, frankly, is wrong to think that it should not have broader consequences for her living in society.

I think that if we got rid of this idea that "it's only business" or "she did what she had to do" or any of these other little slogans that allow us to dismiss antisocial behavior outside of the context in which it occurred, then we would be revoking some sort of implicit permission that so many seem to be willing to grant to people who wish to do bad things.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by 001sky »

gnufied wrote: post #264
netcan wrote: post #100

I'm not American, so this is a little removed for me. In truth I don't really see big enough (non cosmetic) differences between the parties or administrations to justify the partisanship you guys seem to have. What bother me here is not Condoleezza Rice specifically. Every ranking official of any country (or company) owns a big share of that country's sins and there are no "clean" administrations. Complicity is the p…

Agreed and this begs the question where does Dropbox sits with surveillance thing because US govt. makes it clear that non-americans are fair game. So as a non-american I am asking - will Ms. Rice work to protect data that we trust Dropbox with or when Dropbox is asked to turn over our data (of non-americans) will she advise Dropbox board to play along and not give a damn about our data. Knowingly I will not support…

Knowingly I will not support a company that works with politician who are known to support and subvert privacy of individuals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China

If people want open-access to technology around the world, do you really think a 28 year old founder is going to get a fair deal from Vladimir Putin or the Chinese Government/? The US Potus has a hard enough time (with all his staffers) dealing with the complexities of internatinal relations. The same goes elsewhere... So, one can show up un-prepared or not show up...again no easy answeers.

(also) http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china...

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by Karunamon »

belovedeagle wrote: post #768
Karunamon wrote: post #731

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eich's documented actions, not his private views, are the primary thing that got him drummed out of Mozilla. While on a whole different level than being a participant in one of the greatest losses of life in human history, let's call it what it is. Eich's defenders have been quick to spin this as an ideological thing, when at its core, it really isn't.

This is exactly what top parent comment was talking about. If someone from ideological group A dislikes something from group B and calls that out, then it's "discrimination against private views", and wrong and evil and "an ideological thing". But if someone from group B calls out group A, then it's "documented actions" which are the cause and suddenly it's absolutely okay to lock group A out of polite society on tho…

The world as a general whole, and the United States in particular, has been moving in a more open, more inclusive direction both socially and legally for quite some time. First blacks, then women, now LGB's (and hopefully soon T's).

There is not only no evidence to suggest that ludicrous extremes like the one you posed are anywhere near happening, the evidence (at least if we're analyzing the existing pattern) points in the complete opposite direction.

But this is exactly how things like "Jews just aren't human" get started.

Stop it. This is not only unhelpful, it's pandering to a completely absurd fear.

The pattern is a bright, unmistakable line, and the massive majority of people I see complaining about it are attempting to make an excuse for bad behavior in one way or another - thinking that certain actions shouldn't have any consequences because of this irrational (or is it?) fear that they'll be next.

Sorry, we left that world behind the moment we entered the information age, and trying to haul it back is ludditism at its finest.

Actions have consequences whether or not anyone likes it.

The moment a movement to deny rights from Jews or whatever starts up with any seriousness and with any level of mainstream acceptance, I'll be right there with you asking "WTF?!" - but in the meantime, let's stop trying to compare intolerance of harmful actions to intolerance of someone based on what they are. Tolerating evil makes you at least a little complicit in it.

Not only are they not the same thing, but the motivations in play are lightyears apart.

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Post by vdaniuk »

dragontamer wrote: post #807
mindcrime wrote: post #779

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's growth. So is cancer. HN really isn't the place for political discussions. It's even in the guidlines[1]. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon OK, yeah, they're fun in a way; and I've made the mistake of participating in a few myself (largely NSA stuff). But the thing is, there are plenty of other forums for discussing politics.…

I'll publicly state my support of your viewpoint. All this political talk has poisoned Hacker News for me. It has been a constant onslaught. Instead of a focus on building cool stuff, Hacker News is becoming a location for internet activism.

Oh no, now you can build cool stuff and be an internet activist on HN.

Waaait a minute.. Now I get it. These sly HN activists are forcing you to go into political threads, read them and participate in the discussion and you don't have time left for reading about cool stuff. Damn these poisonous activists!

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Post by azakai »

Zigurd wrote: post #630
JonFish85 wrote: post #609

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To be fair, the Mozilla thing was much more the "Are you now, or have you ever supported a political issue we don't agree with?" in nature. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's the same type of question...

Eich was in a much wobblier position from the beginning, with board members resigning over his appointment, public denials about that, and eventual confirmation. That alone might have doomed him and the rest is noise.

There was no confirmation about board members resigning,

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignat...

2 stepped down because they had other stuff to do, the other 1 because of something that is not prop-8 related.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by nilved »

clarky07 wrote: post #764
nilved wrote: post #758

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> I hope this extends to opposing the Obama administration, which has continued and extended war, torture, and the patriot act. Of course it does. That's the logical conclusion. Why wouldn't it? There isn't any informed person in 2014 who is unable to realize Obama has been worse than Bush as far as torture and war go.

And yet Bush is universally hated and Obama was elected to a second term. I think we are in agreement as to our feelings about this, but your snark is subtle if we are :-)

Bush was elected to a second term.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by dragontamer »

vdaniuk wrote: post #814
dragontamer wrote: post #807

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll publicly state my support of your viewpoint. All this political talk has poisoned Hacker News for me. It has been a constant onslaught. Instead of a focus on building cool stuff, Hacker News is becoming a location for internet activism.

Oh no, now you can build cool stuff and be an internet activist on HN. Waaait a minute.. Now I get it. These sly HN activists are forcing you to go into political threads, read them and participate in the discussion and you don't have time left for reading about cool stuff. Damn these poisonous activists!

Every frontpage link on Condoleezza Rice is a link that could have been about technical stuff.

Heck, the only Knuth related thing to hit Hacker News front page in months is only based on some political plea he sent to Condoleezza Rice.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by VuongN »

If you find yourself needing to use Dropbox (or other cloud providers) for one reason or another, I would humbly suggest giving us a try: https://www.ncryptedcloud.com/. We try to remedy the situation by allowing what cloud storage providers do best: syncing & sharing of data and we secure them. Having the data without the correct key render the data useless to any prying eyes.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by angersock »

mindcrime wrote: post #809
angersock wrote: post #808

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Try out lobste.rs It's way too easy to argue about politics on the net without any real effect--too fun, too easy, and too useless.

Try out lobste.rs I do, and I like lobste.rs, but it's a little bit of a catch-22. Lobste.rs is more "ideologically pure" because the userbase is smaller, but that smaller userbase also means there is a lot less discussion going on at any given time. But I think we're clearly starting to see aspects of the "Eternal September" effect here, due to the user growth over the years. So what can ya do? sigh It's way to easy…

So, some of the problem--a good part, really--is that political discussion need not be furious debate and talking past each other.

An article on some sort of political theory, on some philosophy of governance, etc. can lead to useful discussion. Having more systems articles on politics is something I wouldn't mind seeing on HN at all.

But, most articles posted (I believe--haven't run a report on it) do not seem to lend themselves to that sort of thoughtful analysis.

Re: Drop Dropbox

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Post by vdaniuk »

dragontamer wrote: post #817
vdaniuk wrote: post #814

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no, now you can build cool stuff and be an internet activist on HN. Waaait a minute.. Now I get it. These sly HN activists are forcing you to go into political threads, read them and participate in the discussion and you don't have time left for reading about cool stuff. Damn these poisonous activists!

Every frontpage link on Condoleezza Rice is a link that could have been about technical stuff. Heck, the only Knuth related thing to hit Hacker News front page in months is only based on some political plea he sent to Condoleezza Rice.

Were you able to read all the other stuff that was posted on HN today(at least 4 pages deep)? If yes, then sure, your experience on HN was "degraded" by these stories. I doubt that, though.
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