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Post by Karunamon »

humanrebar wrote: post #722
joshstrange wrote: post #589

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Exactly, no one is saying "If you are a Republican you shouldn't be on the DB board" they are saying "If you support warrantless wiretapping and were an accomplice in lying to the American public in order to start a war then you shouldn't be on the DB board". This isn't because of her political affiliation but because of what she did.

People are saying exactly that about Eich, Prop 8, and Mozilla though. Saying that it's a category error to equate Eich and Rice is fair. Saying that "no one is saying..." is a bit off.

Eich's documented actions, not his private views, are the primary thing that got him drummed out of Mozilla. While on a whole different level than being a participant in one of the greatest losses of life in human history, let's call it what it is.

Eich's defenders have been quick to spin this as an ideological thing, when at its core, it really isn't.

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Post by janj »

stingraycharles wrote: post #709
janj wrote: post #598

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Starting an unnecessary war is a big deal. Denying due process and torturing detainees is a big deal. The Patriot Act was one of the most un-American acts of Congress. Rice had a significant role in destroying the values I once thought were vitally important in claiming American exceptionalism. We can never get that back. We are now a country that starts unnecessary wars, tortures detainees and denies due process and…

Ok, I really hate so say this, but this has hardly been the first time the US has gone into an unnecessary war. While you have also entered necessary wars, for which we, the other western countries, are truly grateful, you simply cannot say that with the Bush administration this is the first time something like this happens. For me, an anonymous person living in the Netherlands, it feels like these things happen when…

Besides the civil war what others have the US started?

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Post by clarky07 »

stingraycharles wrote: post #709
janj wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starting an unnecessary war is a big deal. Denying due process and torturing detainees is a big deal. The Patriot Act was one of the most un-American acts of Congress. Rice had a significant role in destroying the values I once thought were vitally important in claiming American exceptionalism. We can never get that back. We are now a country that starts unnecessary wars, tortures detainees and denies due process and…

Ok, I really hate so say this, but this has hardly been the first time the US has gone into an unnecessary war. While you have also entered necessary wars, for which we, the other western countries, are truly grateful, you simply cannot say that with the Bush administration this is the first time something like this happens. For me, an anonymous person living in the Netherlands, it feels like these things happen when…

Making this a R vs D thing is silly. Vietnam was Democrat president. Obama has extended our current wars. Most of our wars have had public support at the beginning, and lost them over time. And as you noted, we've also been instrumental in necessary wars to everyone's benefit.

Hindsight is great and all, but sometimes whether or not a war is necessary can't be seen at the outset. If Saddam had a nuke (and believe me he was certainly trying to get one even if he didn't have one yet), everyone would have considered the Iraq war to be necessary and Bush wouldn't be universally hated. Also, I find it interesting how much sentiment has changed since 2001. After 9/11 everyone was scared, and everyone wanted to find the people responsible and anyone who helped them. 13 years later nobody seems to remember that. The Iraq war was overwhelmingly supported at the beginning. Apparently people just wanted it to be over in 2 weeks.

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Post by aioprisan »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #600
aioprisan wrote: post #291

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What evidence do you have that there was fabricated evidence to justify the war? I'm not saying it wasn't faulty, but all the parties has closed door access to all the intelligence to make a decision. Just because we don't like the decision retroactively doesn't mean it was done on purpose, but rather due to mistakes being made. Not to say that's more comforting, just that they are different things.

I don't have citations off hand, but from memory: 1. Cheney strongly pressured the CIA to discover a smoking gun for Iraq WMDs 2. CIA produced a document that they themselves questioned the authenticity of (the "yellow cake" purchase document) 3. Bush/Cheney ran with that, ignoring the caveats of the intelligence and trumpeting it as the smoking gun 4. Later discovered that the document was fabricated So while I have…

> 1. Cheney strongly pressured the CIA to discover a smoking gun for Iraq WMDs

Really? What is your source for that? Where in the Senate's report do you see that information? http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/pagedetails.action?browsePat...

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Post by Sammi »

zurn wrote: post #460
netcan wrote: post #100

I'm not American, so this is a little removed for me. In truth I don't really see big enough (non cosmetic) differences between the parties or administrations to justify the partisanship you guys seem to have. What bother me here is not Condoleezza Rice specifically. Every ranking official of any country (or company) owns a big share of that country's sins and there are no "clean" administrations. Complicity is the p…

> Every ranking official of any country (or company) owns a big share of that country's sins and there are no "clean" administrations. This sounds a lot like apogolism. These war crimes are VERY far removed from the standards of contemporary western civilized countries. Obama administration continuing many of the evil policies doesn't make it any more acceptable, taking this as "the new normal" would be apathy border…

He said every politician is guilty, and you're interpreting that as him saying they're all ok? I think you're reading what you want to read, not what he actually wrote.

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Post by sergiosgc »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #659
homulilly wrote: post #643

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What I'm seeing is minorities and people who care about human rights finally getting fed up with the status quo and at least trying to get people to talk about it. I'm sorry that makes people like you feel threatened.

Right, because nothing encourages open discussion more than blacklisting everyone you disagree with. I don't think people's hearts are in the wrong place. I think most people try to do good. I also think that the behaviors in question are trading small short term good for catastrophicly massive long term harm. Edit: Yes, also downvote people you disagree with. This will also encourage more open discussion.

Downvoting comments because of disagreement is common in this thread. If you think about it, it is consistent with blackballing.

I, for one, will upvote any well written comment I find at zero or negative values here.

I don't care if I agree with the comments or not, I don't like this face of HN. I vote comment quality, not content.

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Post by sidcool »

vdaniuk wrote: post #509
sidcool wrote: post #502

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It's almost like Socialism, where a populist sentiment is tried to be shoved down the throats of the corporations. I don't use dropbox, but I for sure appreciate their creative genius. It's their prerogative to appoint anyone they wish. You might say it's your privilege to boycott, but then mass boycott is like mob mentality.

Are you being sarcastic?

Not really. Chasing Condi Rice throughout her life for what she did during her term as the Sec of state is uncalled for. If anything, she deserves a fair trial.

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Post by clarky07 »

vdaniuk wrote: post #725
clarky07 wrote: post #719

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You act like someone else in her position would have done something different. Everyone hated Bush. Spending too much money, unnecessary war, over reaching surveillance. Obama will be our hope and change! Yay! Hmm, spending significantly more money, continuing unnecessary wars, and reaching significantly further into surveillance. When the war started 64% of Americans were in favor of it. Sure it turns out they didn'…

Incredibly smart, talented, connected and absolutely unethical person. I am boycotting Dropbox not because Rice is on the board, but because the board voted in favor of her joining. After this I simply don't trust any high ranking official at Dropbox to be the user of their products.

You should also boycott a lot of other companies then. Pretty much anyone who has a politician connected to them. All of the big tech company leaders gave a lot of money to Obama, and I'd consider the spying on US citizens to be fairly unethical. Please stop using Google, Yahoo, and Apple products.

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Post by chrisgd »

woogle wrote: post #432
chrisgd wrote: post #381

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The US prints its own money, it will always have enough. The question is whether inflation eats away its value.

Wrong. You should read further US money processes topic, you'll be surprised.

Right, like when Delta ran out of frequent flier miles.

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Post by dragonwriter »

eli wrote: post #703
itistoday2 wrote: post #681

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Thank you. You rightfully point out that her past actions remain relevant today, and that attempting to dismiss them by labeling them as "merely political viewpoints" does a great disservice to everybody. This woman is directly and indirectly responsible for destroying hundreds of thousands of lives. That should somehow reflect on her resumé, shouldn't it? Now she's being placed in charge of people's personal data. T…

Shouldn't crimes be tried in courts and not online petitions? Does a majority of users get to decide if you've done something wrong enough to disqualify you from a board? A vocal minority?

> Shouldn't crimes be tried in courts and not online petitions?

Criminal punishments are imposed by courts. Things that may arguably be crimes can also have non-criminal consequences.

> Does a majority of users get to decide if you've done something wrong enough to disqualify you from a board?

No, usually that's the existing board that has that authority.

Users, individually, get to decide if the company has done something (including, inter alia, appointing you to the board) that makes them unwilling to do business with the company.

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