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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by jamesaguilar »

pg wrote: post #28
cperciva wrote: post #19

Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. We're hoping that good comments will get endorsed so quickly that there won't be a noticeable delay. Is there some timeout? If not, commenting on a several-day-old thread will guarantee that you can never post another comment, since once threads drop off the front page it's not likely that many 1000+ karma users will even see those…

Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.

Another option would be to allow the withdrawal of pending comments by the submitting user. Reply -> you already have a pending comment (with a link to the explanation of the system). Would you like to withdraw your comment X in thread Y and post this comment? -> Y/N.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by pg »

negrit wrote: post #30
molecule wrote: post #8

> Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. As currently stated, if a comment's never endorsed out of pending, the commenter will never be able to post again?

That might increase by a lot the number of new account created by people who don't want to wait to comment.

We already have pretty good protections against that from years of spammers and voting rings trying it.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by gus_massa »

joeblau wrote: post #7

Wow, this sounds great. My only question is if you're sure you want to put the "endorse" button so close to the "flag" button? I don't want to accidentally flag something incorrectly.

It's not a very big problem, because it's possible to unflag a comment.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by tokenadult »

bsamuels wrote: post #14

I think this change makes the mistake that people with lots of karma are good contributors. I think it should be based on weighted karma/comment in addition to total karma. Imagine two users - one with 1500 karma & 1.1 karma/comment versus one with 600 karma & 10 karma/comment, which one would you trust to be able to judge what is a good comment and what isn't? The total karma weight is to give at least some favor to…

I think this change makes the mistake that people with lots of karma are good contributors.

That's not an invariant property of participants with karma over 1000 points, to be sure, but the population of participants with over 1000 points skews to include a fair number of people who have been long-term contributors (patio11, who has my same join date and deservedly much more karma, immediately comes to mind among several other participants). What's practical about this bright-line rule is that it strictly limits the number of participants who can review pending comments at all, and allows the moderation team here to go to the next step of evaluating the reviewers, while ALL OF US are put on notice that what's desired here is substantive, polite comments.

So while I agree with you that the relationship "high karma implies good contributor" is not an invariantly true relationship, it has enough heuristic value to start as a seed for the system as further hand-tweaking of review power by the moderation team responds to your legitimate concern here.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by gruseom »

donatj wrote: post #47

I feel like this really discourages unpopular truths from the discussion. This is one of the worst options I've ever heard for a comment system.

As I understand the idea, endorsing a comment doesn't mean you agree with it. It just means you think it deserves to be in the thread. That should leave room for unpopular views as long as they're respectfully expressed.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by mstrem »

Comkid wrote: post #36
mstrem wrote: post #4

This seems quite drastic to me. Personally I don't have a lot of Karma (and I don't really care to) but every known and again I post a comment and usually I hope it provides a good contribution. Like this the system is putting a lot of weight on the users with more Karma... and I am guessing there are "many" more users with less than 1000 compared to those with more? Some people may never have a chance to state their…

I think this would result in a worse off situation because by allowing users with X karma to remove comments and prevent other users from commenting, it is effectively censoring them.

True, however you could require say 4 users to block a comment out and this maybe would mitigate the problem a little?

I think the point I was trying to make was that by turning it around it would require "less" active participation from the users and by default everyone gets a chance, but the really bad comments would still get removed I think. Anyway we shall see how it works out!

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by jamesaguilar »

dudus wrote: post #49
bsamuels wrote: post #14

I think this change makes the mistake that people with lots of karma are good contributors. I think it should be based on weighted karma/comment in addition to total karma. Imagine two users - one with 1500 karma & 1.1 karma/comment versus one with 600 karma & 10 karma/comment, which one would you trust to be able to judge what is a good comment and what isn't? The total karma weight is to give at least some favor to…

Karma/Comment is not a very good metric as well. As someone that posted a big post that stayed in the Front Page for long can amass a lot of karma in little time. Giving them a very high Karma/Comment. You would have to remove the outliers.

A perfect opportunity to use comment-karma H index! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-index

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by rdl »

Could you please move endorse and flag to be far apart (maybe on separate sides of the line, or at least with a no-op like "link" or "parent" in the middle)? I iPad or iPhone often, and accidentally hitting the wrong thing would be annoying; I might not be watchful enough to unflag.
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