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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by jamesaguilar »

mstrem wrote: post #4

This seems quite drastic to me. Personally I don't have a lot of Karma (and I don't really care to) but every known and again I post a comment and usually I hope it provides a good contribution. Like this the system is putting a lot of weight on the users with more Karma... and I am guessing there are "many" more users with less than 1000 compared to those with more? Some people may never have a chance to state their…

http://news.ycombinator.com/leaders shows at least a hundred with over 1000, and probably many more than that considering the falloff in points becomes more gradual as you go down the list. My comments are nothing special and I have >6000 karma. Even if only 10% of those people are still active, there will be no shortage of endorsers for the livelier discussions.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by thaumaturgy »

mstrem wrote: post #4

This seems quite drastic to me. Personally I don't have a lot of Karma (and I don't really care to) but every known and again I post a comment and usually I hope it provides a good contribution. Like this the system is putting a lot of weight on the users with more Karma... and I am guessing there are "many" more users with less than 1000 compared to those with more? Some people may never have a chance to state their…

The HN leaderboard shows 100 users with > 15500 points, they mostly all seem to be active users, and the scores seem to be doing the usual long tail dropoff that such distributions tend to do.

So I would expect there to be a ton of active HN users with more than 1000 points.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by tedsanders »

bsamuels wrote: post #14

I think this change makes the mistake that people with lots of karma are good contributors. I think it should be based on weighted karma/comment in addition to total karma. Imagine two users - one with 1500 karma & 1.1 karma/comment versus one with 600 karma & 10 karma/comment, which one would you trust to be able to judge what is a good comment and what isn't? The total karma weight is to give at least some favor to…

That's a good point, but I think it would have an unintended negative consequence of punishing late comments, which tend to have low karma but may nonetheless be worthwhile.

It would also punish comments on 'new' threads, which often stagnate with 0 or 1 upvotes.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by nairteashop »

I'm sure that this has been brought up before, but I've always wondered whether it makes sense to split karma into comment karma and submission karma, reddit-style, and grant this new endorsement power only to folks who cross a certain comment karma threshold.

Since now users with high karma will have a lot of power (than just downvoting, which IMO was relatively innocuous), I think it makes sense to ensure that this power goes to folks who have gained that power by contributing meaningfully to the community over a long period of time, and not by by a few - oftentimes lucky - submissions.

Am I totally off-base here? Or maybe this has been considered, but was too big of a code change?

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by pg »

nicklovescode wrote: post #12

"Since I'm going to check out of HN at the end of this YC cycle" To be clear, you mean you are going to stop maintaining the codebase of HN, not stop actively participating in the community, right?

It's impossible to predict the future perfectly, but I hope to leave completely. The only YC thing I'm going to do is office hours with the startups.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by dudus »

bsamuels wrote: post #14

I think this change makes the mistake that people with lots of karma are good contributors. I think it should be based on weighted karma/comment in addition to total karma. Imagine two users - one with 1500 karma & 1.1 karma/comment versus one with 600 karma & 10 karma/comment, which one would you trust to be able to judge what is a good comment and what isn't? The total karma weight is to give at least some favor to…

Karma/Comment is not a very good metric as well. As someone that posted a big post that stayed in the Front Page for long can amass a lot of karma in little time. Giving them a very high Karma/Comment. You would have to remove the outliers.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by mariusz79 »

smtddr wrote: post #29
mariusz79 wrote: post #10

This is nothing but a censorship and will make HN useless.

This is exactly the kind of comment I wouldn't endorse :)

Guess what? your comment wouldn't be endorsed either.. You will not have any chance to even see that comment. It may be a good thing, but the current system has few issues one of them: it will be much harder for anyone to get to 1000+ karma so effectively current "crème de la crème" will be in total control. Remember how some news with NSA in the title were being censored? This new system is much worse than that.
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