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Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

I think this is a great change. It's great that you're still iterating on HN and changing the fundamentals.

Can someone with over 1,000 karma start replying to a fresh comment before it's endorsed? Or will the reply link not be there until it's endorsed? If it's the latter, I'm worried that this might stifle the (admittedly rare) back-and-forth discussion between two experts, such as tptacek and cperciva. People who want to reply probably won't sit and wait until the reply link is active, and since replying to a different comment than intended is taboo, they're likely to say nothing instead.

That's a minor concern though.

EDIT: Also,

Since I'm going to check out of HN at the end of this YC cycle,

If I'm reading this right, does this mean you're going to leave HN entirely? I'm sorry to see that happen, but I understand why you'd need to.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by k2enemy »

chch wrote: post #2

Do we know what fraction of active users has over 1000 karma? As someone with forty-two karma currently who only comments rarely, it's a bit scary to know my comments will face moderation to be posted, although it will surely increase the substance/message ratio, which has seemed to be decreasing some. It's not so much that I care about the karma, as I'd post more if I did, but more that if someone asks a question th…

It sounds like users with over 1000 karma also need to go through the pending stage. So in that sense you are still on equal footing with them. You just won't be able to vote on other pending posts.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by thaumaturgy »

greg5green wrote: post #16
chch wrote: post #2

Do we know what fraction of active users has over 1000 karma? As someone with forty-two karma currently who only comments rarely, it's a bit scary to know my comments will face moderation to be posted, although it will surely increase the substance/message ratio, which has seemed to be decreasing some. It's not so much that I care about the karma, as I'd post more if I did, but more that if someone asks a question th…

This is especially troublesome to me with regards to posts that quickly drop off the first page. Will there be enough page views by users with karma > 1000 on posts like that to get any comments approved?

I can't speak for other longtime HN users, but I wrote my own news reader and regularly browse threads that have disappeared off the front page. Anybody with an RSS reader or other similar thingy would do the same.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by Comkid »

mstrem wrote: post #4

This seems quite drastic to me. Personally I don't have a lot of Karma (and I don't really care to) but every known and again I post a comment and usually I hope it provides a good contribution. Like this the system is putting a lot of weight on the users with more Karma... and I am guessing there are "many" more users with less than 1000 compared to those with more? Some people may never have a chance to state their…

I think this would result in a worse off situation because by allowing users with X karma to remove comments and prevent other users from commenting, it is effectively censoring them.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by negrit »

pg wrote: post #20
molecule wrote: post #8

> Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. As currently stated, if a comment's never endorsed out of pending, the commenter will never be able to post again?

With the current settings, a comment has a day to make it out of pending. If you delete a pending comment, it's no longer pending.

Is there a 'pending mention' for the author of the comment ?

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by noonespecial »

molecule wrote: post #8

> Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. As currently stated, if a comment's never endorsed out of pending, the commenter will never be able to post again?

I'm guessing there's an implied "in that thread" to that particular rule. I'd still rather see a timeout than give people only one shot at a thread.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by jmtame »

mariusz79 wrote: post #10

This is nothing but a censorship and will make HN useless.

As an early HN member who has seen comments decline since the early days, I like this change. This comment you've written falls in line as one I would not endorse. Would you say that Amazon is censoring their products because not all reviews show up on a given page? The community decides what shows up, that's not up to Amazon. Same thing going on here; the earliest and most active members are the ones who decide what comments are worthwhile. I welcome this change and think this is a great idea/experiment.
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