Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)? • Hacker News Board

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by prewett » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 3:18 PM UTC

etherael wrote: post #202

smoyer wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"points toward the involvement of one or more state actors" I agree ... and so I think it's become useful to identify the skills and knowledge of each of the jet's passengers. You have to assume that, in this case, the plane was hijacked in order to obtain one of the passengers. Terrorism simply doesn't make sense!

20 freescale semiconductor employees on board.

All that effort, and still no guarantee that they will actually work with you. Some may be willing to die, others might stealthily sabotage the product, etc. And if you can provide 20 freescale engineers with what they need to actually make something, you can probably just hire people normally.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by blakeja » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 3:22 PM UTC

Buge wrote: post #205

rajbala wrote: post #188

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There would have been calls/texts/tweets/facebook posts from the passengers if they were aware that something terrible was happening whether accidental or intentional.

Do they have satellite phones? Over the ocean there is no cell reception.

This is a good question. What are the odds that someone on the flight had a sat cell? If so, would it have worked in those conditions?

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by jimktrains2 » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 3:24 PM UTC

rafe33 wrote: post #213

userbinator wrote: post #115

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I find it a little disturbing that the passengers would be so docile, especially after 9/11.

There is a theory that the rapid ascent to 45,000 feet was done to deprive the passengers of oxygen and incapacitate them.

From what I've read that theory is bullocks because 45k is still in the safety margins the plane was designed for.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by gambiting » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 3:25 PM UTC

arethuza wrote: post #236

bluedino wrote: post #227

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What are the odds that if you had that plane, you could 'sneak in' to US airspace and pull another 9/11?

That's why I find it difficult to believe that anyone would steal that plane with the goal of attacking the US (or any country with a well developed air defense system). Until that plane is found I suspect people will be keeping a very close eye on wide body jets approaching and within their airspaces.

It could also be used to attack countries without a well developed air defense system. It might not even be a country in the west.

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by selimthegrim » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 3:28 PM UTC

exelius wrote: post #239

smoyer wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"points toward the involvement of one or more state actors" I agree ... and so I think it's become useful to identify the skills and knowledge of each of the jet's passengers. You have to assume that, in this case, the plane was hijacked in order to obtain one of the passengers. Terrorism simply doesn't make sense!

Or they were hijacking a plane to stuff it full of chemical weapons / radioactive material (think dirty bomb) with the intent of flying it over a major city and detonating it. It would be hard to do it in a western nation, but if you were aiming at a city near the "frontier" of India, Pakistan, etc. a bad actor could likely execute the plan before the jets they scramble could intercept the jet. There's a lot of bad s…

Er, if the ISI wanted a 777, there are much closer places to steal one from and repaint.

http://www.piac.com.pk/

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by stephengillie » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 3:30 PM UTC

Shivetya wrote: post #257

herbig wrote: post #244

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I think the level of sophistication required increasingly points to a much simpler explanation than terrorism.

why do people underestimate what terrorist groups are capable of? Some have training from various countries and quite a few have financial and material backing. If anything, the common theme on this site was to find every possible explanation other than terrorism. Sorry to be the party pooper, but there are people out there who operate without regard to our beliefs and at times love to exploit the stories we tell our…

I don't know that it's underestimation so much as Occam's razor

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by gvb » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 3:30 PM UTC

coherentpony wrote: post #252

Again, merely wild speculation. I'd be ok with people not upvoting submissions that do nothing more than fear mongering.

It is a very interesting theory and plausible (more plausible than a cockpit fire IMHO).

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by nerfhammer » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 3:32 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #223

nyrina wrote: post #145

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I don't think gold is valuable enough for stealing a whole plane and killing 220 passengers. Gold, for it's weight, is very expensive. Transporting gold of high enough volumes for it to be worth killing so many people, steal a plane as well as making all of that possible wouldn't be worth it, I would say.

If the plane was carrying a tonne of gold(and could have been carrying more) then that gold would be worth 44 million dollars[1]. [1] http://www.onlygold.com/tutorialpages/value_of_gold.asp

The plane itself costs more than $200 million

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by knowaveragejoe » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 3:32 PM UTC

Shivetya wrote: post #257

herbig wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the level of sophistication required increasingly points to a much simpler explanation than terrorism.

why do people underestimate what terrorist groups are capable of? Some have training from various countries and quite a few have financial and material backing. If anything, the common theme on this site was to find every possible explanation other than terrorism. Sorry to be the party pooper, but there are people out there who operate without regard to our beliefs and at times love to exploit the stories we tell our…

Yes, but I think what Herbig is saying is that the increased sophistication of assumptions means decreased likelihood that this was a deliberate hijacking. We get further away from Occam's razor in order to satisfy that.

As of yet we haven't seen any group take responsibility, no claims of hostages or anything remotely indicative of this. So if it was taken by a terrorist group, where is the terrorism they plan to conduct with it?

Re: Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by knowaveragejoe » Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 3:35 PM UTC

etherael wrote: post #202

smoyer wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"points toward the involvement of one or more state actors" I agree ... and so I think it's become useful to identify the skills and knowledge of each of the jet's passengers. You have to assume that, in this case, the plane was hijacked in order to obtain one of the passengers. Terrorism simply doesn't make sense!

20 freescale semiconductor employees on board.

And? Finish the thought.