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Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68/SQ68 (another 777)?

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Post by jerf »

joeguilmette wrote: post #187
leoc wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I don't see any sign yet that the flight 370 hijacking involved unusual danger, difficulty or expense for the culprits: so far, as best we can see, it looks like stealing candy from a baby. Obviously to get people off it alive you'd need manpower and infrastructure, but either a dusty old Soviet-era airbase in metaphorical or literal Kazakhstan, or a ship to pick people up after a ditching in calm water somew…

Twenty blatant murders in China might - MIGHT - make to the sidebar on HuffPo. Hijacking an airliner has captivated the attention of the entire planet. If they wanted to get rid of these guys stealthily this is not the way.

This is a very important point. I haven't yet seen a satisfactory conspiracy theory that explains why anybody would pursue this sort of action in the full glare of international publicity, and it's hard to imagine someone being good enough to pull this off, yet not realize this would happen. There aren't many conspiracies that benefit from continuous, sustained attention of this scale, or that could plan on absolutely no incriminating piece of evidence being turned up anywhere, by anyone, on such a large scale.

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Post by jfoster »

etherael wrote: post #207
raverbashing wrote: post #162

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Yeah, because states were never behind any deliberate downing of a civilian aircraft, either through external hit or from within the aircraft.

Why is this being downvoted? Are people really so naive as to not be aware of this?

A couple of (fairly old) North Korean examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_YS-11_hijackin...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858

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Post by gambiting »

nyrina wrote: post #145
justincormack wrote: post #95

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Gold? needs to be something worth stealing a plane for.

I don't think gold is valuable enough for stealing a whole plane and killing 220 passengers. Gold, for it's weight, is very expensive. Transporting gold of high enough volumes for it to be worth killing so many people, steal a plane as well as making all of that possible wouldn't be worth it, I would say.

If the plane was carrying a tonne of gold(and could have been carrying more) then that gold would be worth 44 million dollars[1].

[1]http://www.onlygold.com/tutorialpages/value_of_gold.asp

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Post by brohee »

mootothemax wrote: post #134
yannyu wrote: post #112

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It's a bit Bond/cyberpunk-esque, but one could imagine a scenario where an evil villain could short a company's stock and then kill off 20 extremely valuable employees of said company. Not saying that's what happened here, but 20 of the right employees of a company could be very significant.

It's a bit Bond/cyberpunk-esque, but one could imagine a scenario where an evil villain could short a company's stock and then kill off 20 extremely valuable employees of said company When was the last time you heard of 20 employees of a company being murdered? To do so by killing 220+ other people makes such a theory even more absurd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Karachi_bus_bombing could qualify (a bit short of the 20 casualties, but not for lack of trying).

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Post by danielschonfeld »

If they shut off the transponder, which we know they did, how would they get the traffic information on their NDs? It goes away when you turn off the transponder. To the best of my knowledge that applies to both Mode-S interrogations and ADS/B ones.

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Post by ZoF »

houseofshards wrote: post #17
downandout wrote: post #13

There is a realistic possibility that those piloting the plane used this and/or other stealth techniques and landed intact. There are lots of groups around the world that would love to have a working $250M aircraft. Maybe there is a massive airplane chop shop that this went to, or someone wants to load it up with explosives and fly it to some country they disagree with. Unfortunately, whether it landed or not, the od…

>> A ransom demand would have been made by now. That is exactly what I am scared of. That the intent was never to demand a ransom. Obviously they were after the plane - to use it as a weapon. Or use it as a carrier of some weapon.

What makes this obvious?

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Post by bluedino »

arethuza wrote: post #90
stef25 wrote: post #61

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Why would you need a 777 when you can probably pick up old Russian cargo planes much easier and for a fraction of the cost and without needing super skilled pilots?

Extreme long range? It was a 777-200ER (Enhanced Range) - that model holds records for distance flying: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777#777-200ER

What are the odds that if you had that plane, you could 'sneak in' to US airspace and pull another 9/11?

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Post by broolstoryco »

smoyer wrote: post #180
jballanc wrote: post #45

The folks over at airliners.net have pointed out that the 777's collision avoidance system only works if both planes' transponders are turned on. That doesn't mean this scenario is impossible, but it does raise the level of sophistication required. Sadly, I feel like whatever happened, the amount of sophistication involved increasingly points toward the involvement of one or more state actors. If that's the case, I'm…

"points toward the involvement of one or more state actors" I agree ... and so I think it's become useful to identify the skills and knowledge of each of the jet's passengers. You have to assume that, in this case, the plane was hijacked in order to obtain one of the passengers. Terrorism simply doesn't make sense!

Satoshi was on board!

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Post by bananas »

hyperbovine wrote: post #164
wsc981 wrote: post #114

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I think it's most likely the plane will be used in a terrorist action. For example in the next week there's a nucleair summit being held in The Hague: http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/EH-eSUP-2014-01-NSS.... It would be a very hard to reach target, though.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, there are literally thousands of disused airframes nestled in various out of the way corners of the globe. If your goal is really to fly an explosive laden jet into something, absconding with a loaded passenger jet is about the least clandestine method imaginable.

I think that hypothesis has been disproven a couple of times at least!
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