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Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by babby »

interstitial wrote: post #138
bitops wrote: post #53

As usual, another HN thread that perfectly exemplifies victim blaming and a collective burying of heads in the sand. There's a few people on here who seem to get it, but most don't. I'm sick of it. Goodbye, Hacker News.

You suffer from egotistical self-righteousness. Someday, perhaps, you will no longer need to assuage your ego with delusional palliatives of moral superiority. Today a child died after a long and painful battle with cancer. Another died suddenly in a car crash after a heated argument, leaving loved ones in agony and self-doubt. Are you sure this is your battle? Perhaps you are only sick of the burden of your own unex…

Aggravated bleeding heart observed.

>suffer >irrelevant anecdotes to contrast against OP's "battle"

Why do you think he cares about children dying? Is it really so hard to grasp the notion that we are emotionally compelled by things relevant to our own lives at any given time?

This may be his battle, or maybe it's not a battle at all. Maybe you should stop this hyperbolic nonsense, because you're the one making it a battle.

>suffer

cringe

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by rsynnott »

thesz wrote: post #52
iancarroll wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The likelihood she's lying is next to zero. You don't really make these things up...

She don't need to lie, she can talk about her feelings . Most of the situations in the article are pretty much innocent, but feelings provoked in her aren't. You cannot verify or falsify feelings. They can have different plausible origins. She present one origin, you say she is right. Yes, her side is plausible. The worst thing here is that some of the origins can be offending to some of participants. You chose side…

> Most of the situations in the article are pretty much innocent, but feelings provoked in her aren't.

Huh? Pretty much none of them are remotely innocent. They range from unprofessional to gross misconduct to potentially illegal.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by michaelt »

michaelochurch wrote: post #466
michaelt wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I found out that a manager was undermining me in this way, I'd strike back and it probably wouldn't be good for me or him. Allow me to clarify: Before you make a threat (such as to fire someone) you need to make sure the threat is credible. This is for exactly the reason you say: If you openly try but fail to get rid of someone, they may take it personally and try to "fuck up your shit". If there's someone who can…

My point is that you should never threaten to fire someone. Once the decision is made, you should do it. Yes, this means you'll have to pay a severance because there is no paper trail. A typical severance (enough to cover the expected length of a job search) is a small cost, considering what you're getting in the deal: non-litigation, non-disparagement, minimal drama, and the employee moved out the same day.

Yes, if your legislative environment and HR department will let you fire someone without going through written warnings and improvement plans, I agree that sounds easier than inviting them to start looking for another job.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by tripzilch »

shiven wrote: post #416
rtpg wrote: post #400

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because in an office environment you can at least expect your coworkers to show a bit of respect?

'Respect' is a pretty loaded word. Are you saying the guys staring at (fellow employee) girls hula-hooping in the same office should just close their eyes? What if the girls were just sitting, drinking coffee? What about juggling 6 balls on the air? What about picking their noses? What about picking each-others noses? Where does this nonsense end? If (almost) all my co-workers are staring at me as I adjust my belt, s…

> What about picking each-others noses?

Impossible. You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you cannot, however, pick your friends' nose.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by chippy »

jd0 wrote: post #69
bitops wrote: post #53

As usual, another HN thread that perfectly exemplifies victim blaming and a collective burying of heads in the sand. There's a few people on here who seem to get it, but most don't. I'm sick of it. Goodbye, Hacker News.

Fuck hacker news. I only come here to be mad at people.

now now trolls shouldn't announce themselves as such, unless you are doing next level trolling as counter trolling!

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by babby »

hudibras wrote: post #314
patrickg_zill wrote: post #27

Some geeky types will be tempted, upon founding a startup, to thus not have ANY women in significant roles in the company, and to keep it as guys-only as possible; outsourcing as needed and doing the other legal legwork as required to stay under the headcount (is it >50 people?) to avoid the EEOC.

Then some geeky types will find them recruiting from far less than 50% of the population. Good luck with that, guys.

You're implying 50% of the startup population is female. That is obviously laughable and thus you should stop spreading erroneous statements.

Making HN a better place, thanks for your time!

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

Xylakant wrote: post #428
pron wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently, organizational freedom for a bunch of young guys tends to breed sexism and abuse. I've always thought there's trouble ahead for a company whose blog is mostly a drinking journal (although this appears to no longer be the case).

I've seen similar fallouts in a strictly hierarchical organization when one of the leading managers started having an affair with one of the lower rank project management trainees. HR was powerless, since the manager outranked them. Project management was powerless since the now-de-facto promoted trainee was backed by their superior. In the end, the developers revolted and threatened to quit, so the owner personally…

The manager was allowed to stay?

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by gruntmaster9000 »

wyclif wrote: post #469
mynameisasdf wrote: post #447

I can't believe that no one has spotted that she is exactly the same annoying feminist that forced the company to get rid of a rug because it used the term "meritocracy". http://readwrite.com/2014/01/24/github-meritocracy-rug#awesm... Tbfh, she sounds like Adria Richards v2.0

I found that episode terribly confused, and I never understood the rationale behind it. Isn't "meritocracy" a value and environment that feminists have told us over and over again is a positive development for women? Don't women want to work in a "meritocracy" precisely because their work will be valued and appreciated not because they are women but because excellence at work knows no sex, colour, or creed?

Steve Klabnik explains it well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7405881

In short, it’s a not-really-present ideal that’s often used to mask the existing power relationships that are really responsible for people being promoted/demoted to where they are.

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