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Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by Crito »

kaoD wrote: post #38
sudhirj wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why? Despite it's dubious origins, Github remains an excellent / superior product. One may not agree with the way they do things (and even that seems to be some, not everyone in the organization), but is that really a reason to stop using the product? https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

He's not judging the product good or bad. He's just "voting" the company with his actions, as we all should.

Well that doesn't make sense. Unless he's randomly voting without consideration, then of course he evaluated the various options and "judged" them. That's rather the point of voting, isn't it?

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by thesz »

iancarroll wrote: post #14
iwasphone wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it better to wait until all sides of the story have been told?

The likelihood she's lying is next to zero. You don't really make these things up...

She don't need to lie, she can talk about her feelings. Most of the situations in the article are pretty much innocent, but feelings provoked in her aren't.

You cannot verify or falsify feelings. They can have different plausible origins. She present one origin, you say she is right. Yes, her side is plausible.

The worst thing here is that some of the origins can be offending to some of participants. You chose side that offends Github team.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by cmelbye »

jmspring wrote: post #11

If allegations of non-employee/founder wife scenario is true, I would hope the board shows said founder the door. Beyond being in bad taste, it's exposing the company to some serious liabilities...

Yeah, it'll be interesting to hear GitHub's response if this aspect of the story is true. Those are some pretty serious allegations - influence over business and personnel decisions, reads Campfire chat logs, has spies within the company to keep an eye on what's happening, and, of course, intimidates employees. Quite damaging things.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by jkrems »

patrickg_zill wrote: post #27

Some geeky types will be tempted, upon founding a startup, to thus not have ANY women in significant roles in the company, and to keep it as guys-only as possible; outsourcing as needed and doing the other legal legwork as required to stay under the headcount (is it >50 people?) to avoid the EEOC.

I saw similar things happen with male employees. A spouse of a manager/founder (well, anyone really) having power without any official position is a disaster waiting to happen. The situation I experienced was with an all-male team. The result is people leaving, so having a small team really doesn't fix anything. Quite the opposite.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by baddox »

rdl wrote: post #22

This sounds less like sexism and more just non-sexist batshit crazy people and incompetent HR. Somehow that isn't particularly better.

The only thing that sounds remotely related to sex or gender is the hula hoop incident, which sounds irrelevant to the main story other than providing a final straw for the woman to leave.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by icecreampain »

klodolph wrote: post #35
[deleted] wrote: post #5

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This seems like a very common way to dismiss complaints of sexism, whether those complaints are valid or invalid. Could someone explain why? I remember an similar complaint against a woman who said she was groped at a conference. What, is she expected to get a video of him groping her? There's a reason why so much sexism happens behind closed doors, off the record, or just in person when nobody else is nearby. These…

Actually, yes we are. Since the goings-on at Github are being discussed and people are trying to decide which side is right, and when the people have decided which story is true then the shaming / applauding of Github will be spread to blogs and Twitter and Facebook and what not... this is exactly like a trial.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by eropple »

jaydz wrote: post #42
mwhite wrote: post #34

Well, there are only three Github founders, and a quick search seems to indicate that Tom Preston-Werner is the only one with a wife, Theresa: http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/27/omakase-charity-tech-indust...

Any guess who this is? “well-liked at GitHub” and “popular in the community.”

This is super screwed up enough, I think we can do without the random guesses, yeah?

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by yarou »

iancarroll wrote: post #6

Until there's a second side to this my GitHub use is not going to continue. Sad to see this happen, but it's not hard to change origins on my repos to BitBucket or Gitlab. edit: and again, it's two commands to push my repo back. but i have no interest in being with github at this time

That seems like a knee-jerk reaction. We don't know what has really happened, and we've only heard one side of the story. It seems like these days people are just looking for something to be upset about.
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