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Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by Crito »

saraid216 wrote: post #12
naiyt wrote: post #4

What a crazy bunch of events in the Bitcoin world today. Of course, this isn't necessarily proof that Dorian isn't Satoshi. (I personally don't think that he is, but I guess we'll see.) Regardless, it sure will be nice when the media stops hounding this guy. Especially if he really isn't Satoshi. This could have the potential of completely ruining somebody's life, particularly one who seems rather private like Dorian…

Isn't it convenient that, right when there's a minor cascade of failures in Bitcoin related things, a journalist from Newsweek just happens to figure out who Satoshi Nakamoto must be?

Do you have a hypothesized conspiracy or causal link that you would like to share, or are you just commenting on coincidences?

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by GigabyteCoin »

elwell wrote: post #44
naiyt wrote: post #4

What a crazy bunch of events in the Bitcoin world today. Of course, this isn't necessarily proof that Dorian isn't Satoshi. (I personally don't think that he is, but I guess we'll see.) Regardless, it sure will be nice when the media stops hounding this guy. Especially if he really isn't Satoshi. This could have the potential of completely ruining somebody's life, particularly one who seems rather private like Dorian…

And it's interestingly affected the exchange absolutely not at all. http://markets.blockchain.info/

The markets have been extremely quiet lately. I'm not sure if it's stability or lack of interest.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

mangeletti wrote: post #22
ck2 wrote: post #16

So this guy has had a stroke and cancer. Does anyone care the stress might kill him? I guess not. How about we leave him alone.

People are concerned about the origins of something that has the potential of changing humanity (for better or worse) and dethroning the existing financial hegemony. I feel bad about all the cameras being shoved in his face, but there's nothing wrong with people inquiring.

Changing humanity? Bitcoin fans are fun. :) look at all this drama and just convoluted jibber jabber. Do you really see bitcoin being taken seriously by very serious people such that it will bring about this libertarian revolution or whatever is meant by "changing humanity?" Even those loafer phrased "existing financial hegemony" ... I think bitcoin people take themselves way too seriously.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by gloob »

dfc wrote: post #77
poopicus wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He did say he was wrong. He was simply stating he was surprised he didn't realise sooner, given how he had already identified a similar method of forgery in an earlier affair.

No he did not. Unless you are 5 years old "Duh, I knew that" is not the same thing as admitting fault: "Duh, it's fake. Obviously, it's possible to set your system clock back. I was so intrigued I wasn't thinking clearly, even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair. Sorry folks, maybe if it were timestamped in the blockchain." He played it off and says the real answer is obvious. Then…

It's okay for you to be wrong about something.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

strlen wrote: post #57
onewaystreet wrote: post #35

The "real" Satoshi Nakamoto coming forward after all this time just to say he isn't Dorian Nakamoto seems kind of suspicious to me. It's not like Dorian Nakamoto is the first person to have been accused of being Satoshi.

We can only speculate, but I'd imagine the real Satoshi is a human being and doesn't want an uninvolved senior citizen (and his relatives, including a 90 year old mother) to be made targets for violent crime. It's highly ironic that the media paints cryptocurrency as tools for a coldhearted clique that only cares for their own material wealth, yet they're the ones cruelly exposing someone who has done them no wrong a…

All you people talking about violent crime .., I mean, what, do you think the Bloods and the Crips are following the world of bitcoin? I think the bigger story here, much more interesting than whether this person is Santoshi, is the kind of sociological story of nerd obsession with and belief systems about Bitcoin.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

euank wrote: post #94
flylib wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dorian is claiming he never heard about Bitcoin until a few weeks ago so if he was using them in 2011, then he is obviously Satoshi

That still does not follow. It proves that he lied about not knowing what bitcoin is and it proves that he had bitcoins. Those two facts do not prove that he is Satoshi. It is not obvious. Here, I'll give you an alternative explanation: Dorian was an early bitcoin adopter or otherwise had a small number. When reporters started asking his son if he was Satoshi, he realized that that would damage his reclusive lifestyl…

Well, you're just taking that it is not logically imperative that he be Satoshi as a counter argument. I think if all is true that it is a pretty interesting coincidence given that, despite people think here, Bitcoin was not a very common thing for normal people in 2011.

But anyway, this eye witness seems a bit odd for other reasons.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by duaneb »

pikachu_is_cool wrote: post #102
azcoder wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dorian == Satoshi [1] It's a desperate attempt to mislead. [1] Here is Dorian making an in-person bitcoin purchase in July 2011: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7354326

That is not a source. That's a random comment on the internet.

Too true. I depend on hacker news for many things, but being secure is not a bet I'd put money on. There are ways of making more provable claims in either direction--unless it's either attested multiple times in the past (so as to be difficult to doctor) or it's cryptographically signed or there's a convincing prosecution, I don't think we'll be confident about it.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by DannyBee »

fallinghawks wrote: post #75
danielnaab wrote: post #47

I'm confused by all this. I find the drama interesting, but Newsweek quoted this: "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it," he says, dismissing all further queries with a swat of his left hand. "It's been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection." Did the reporter really lie about this statement? That seems like really a massive stretch, to me.

Reporters misquote and put their personal or editorial spin on even the most trivial stuff. (Speaking from personal experience.)

I can't upvote this hard enough. It's almost unfathomable how much of what is reported is deliberate misquotes or out of context statements unless you've dealt with reporters.
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