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Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Hmmmmm. Assuming the post was made by the actual Satoshi...

Dorian Nakamoto is Satoshi: This is an attempt by him to throw people off his scent, which would be foolish and desperate since chances are the millions of eyes focused on him will find more concrete proof than the Newsweek article, rendering the posting moot. Almost guaranteeing the drama will continue, if not whip it into a larger frenzy.

Dorian Nakamoto isn't Satoshi: An attempt to absolve someone of harassment. Noble, but not wise, since now he will have to continue to disprove serious accusations of his identity, or else innocent people will be harmed again. And the corollary, if he does not publish a refutation people will assume it's tacit agreement. People will continue looking for him.

It's late and I know I didn't think of everything, but I can't see this being a winning move by Satoshi in any scenario.

My personal theory? Dorian was a member of a crypto group that eventually gave birth to Bitcoin, but he was never part of the implementation. Maybe he thought of the original math/idea, so they named their pseudonym after him in his honor? Probably not true, but fun!

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Unfortunately, that proves nothing. Early on, there were so few people mining that practically everyone had a "large volume". As such, if you pick any arbitrary bitcoin transaction at that time, it's highly likely it will have originated from a large volume source in the recent past. I think it's more likely a case of mistaken identity; there are many people in this world, and I think that the chance of someone remem…

Dorian is claiming he never heard about Bitcoin until a few weeks ago so if he was using them in 2011, then he is obviously Satoshi

That still does not follow. It proves that he lied about not knowing what bitcoin is and it proves that he had bitcoins. Those two facts do not prove that he is Satoshi. It is not obvious.

Here, I'll give you an alternative explanation: Dorian was an early bitcoin adopter or otherwise had a small number. When reporters started asking his son if he was Satoshi, he realized that that would damage his reclusive lifestyle if people thought he were Satoshi. He thought that telling the truth, that he knew about bitcoin but wasn't Satoshi, wouldn't be believed so he told a lie to preserve his reclusive lifestyle.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, that proves nothing. Early on, there were so few people mining that practically everyone had a "large volume". As such, if you pick any arbitrary bitcoin transaction at that time, it's highly likely it will have originated from a large volume source in the recent past. I think it's more likely a case of mistaken identity; there are many people in this world, and I think that the chance of someone remem…

>Unfortunately, that proves nothing. Linking Dorian to Bitcoin at any time proves everything, proves Dorian = Satoshi. If Dorian paid for crepe in July 2011 with Bitcoin, Dorian is lying and Dorian = Satoshi. There was a large Bitcoin Conference in New York at that time, giving good reason to be there. The retailer said she recognized Dorian as the customer. He didn't want his picture taken or name recorded. Good odd…

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7358532, my reply a to a sibling comment.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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I'm confused by all this. I find the drama interesting, but Newsweek quoted this: "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it," he says, dismissing all further queries with a swat of his left hand. "It's been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection." Did the reporter really lie about this statement? That seems like really a massive stretch, to me.

The trouble with that statement is that, even if you believe it's a verbatim quote, it isn't clear exactly what he said that in response to. We're meant to assume that it's a response to something like "Are you the creator of Bitcoin?", but the fact that the question isn't part of the quote implies that it isn't that clear. This guy was involved in classified Government work at several companies, and the question cou…

If that quote wasn't entirely fabricated, I suspect the officer was responding to a statement that identified Dorian as "Satoshi Nakamoto, the creator of Bitcoin".

Also, a minor nitpick: Temple City is part of a community that's directly adjacent to Los Angeles—people have heard of Bitcoin there.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Hmmmmm. Assuming the post was made by the actual Satoshi... Dorian Nakamoto is Satoshi: This is an attempt by him to throw people off his scent, which would be foolish and desperate since chances are the millions of eyes focused on him will find more concrete proof than the Newsweek article, rendering the posting moot. Almost guaranteeing the drama will continue, if not whip it into a larger frenzy. Dorian Nakamoto i…

Dorian == Satoshi [1]

It's a desperate attempt to mislead.

[1] Here is Dorian making an in-person bitcoin purchase in July 2011: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7354326

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, that proves nothing. Early on, there were so few people mining that practically everyone had a "large volume". As such, if you pick any arbitrary bitcoin transaction at that time, it's highly likely it will have originated from a large volume source in the recent past. I think it's more likely a case of mistaken identity; there are many people in this world, and I think that the chance of someone remem…

>Unfortunately, that proves nothing. Linking Dorian to Bitcoin at any time proves everything, proves Dorian = Satoshi. If Dorian paid for crepe in July 2011 with Bitcoin, Dorian is lying and Dorian = Satoshi. There was a large Bitcoin Conference in New York at that time, giving good reason to be there. The retailer said she recognized Dorian as the customer. He didn't want his picture taken or name recorded. Good odd…

I don't follow your logic to the same conclusion you do.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, that proves nothing. Early on, there were so few people mining that practically everyone had a "large volume". As such, if you pick any arbitrary bitcoin transaction at that time, it's highly likely it will have originated from a large volume source in the recent past. I think it's more likely a case of mistaken identity; there are many people in this world, and I think that the chance of someone remem…

Mistaken identity is likely, considering how eyewitness accounts are actually quite unreliable.

I'm personally rooting for Dorian = Satoshi, but yeah, I wouldn't trust three-year-old eyewitness testimony of a mother identifying her son.

Definitely a "pics or it didn't happen" situation.

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