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Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by danielnaab »

walden42 wrote: post #53
danielnaab wrote: post #47

I'm confused by all this. I find the drama interesting, but Newsweek quoted this: "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it," he says, dismissing all further queries with a swat of his left hand. "It's been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection." Did the reporter really lie about this statement? That seems like really a massive stretch, to me.

It was a misunderstanding: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BITCOIN_FOUNDER_DE...

I am as skeptical about media personalities as anyone else, but I find this explanation hard to swallow. I don't think I would misunderstand a statement like that from a non-native English speaker.

In any case, I have no animosity towards the creator of Bitcoin, and I don't think that the original creator has any need for legal worries. But in the heat of the moment, it seems as if many people are mixing up these two separate ideas.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by poopicus »

dfc wrote: post #69
jnbiche wrote: post #21

Even more interesting: look who signed Satoshi's key on April Fools Day of last year [1]. http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&sear... (ignore the signature from today, anyone could have done that in the brouhaha following today's disclosures) Based on that, it looks pretty clear to me that Dorian Nakamoto decided to "latch on" to the Satoshi Nakamoto founder's myth, either as a way to boost his re…

> even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair This is a strange and unhealthy response. What was so hard/uncomfortable about saying "I did not realize" or "I was wrong"? It is okay to be wrong or not know something.

He did say he was wrong. He was simply stating he was surprised he didn't realise sooner, given how he had already identified a similar method of forgery in an earlier affair.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by euank »

azcoder wrote: post #63

I think the most compelling evidence that Dorian is Satoshi is described here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7354326 [EDIT: if an eyewitness account is compelling enough for you, this is evidence. it is to me, apparently not to some.] Dorian (as recognized by the retailer) bought a crepe from one of the first retailers to accept bitcoins, the 1st transaction of the crepe retailer's bitcoin address at 1KfQKmME7…

Unfortunately, that proves nothing.

Early on, there were so few people mining that practically everyone had a "large volume". As such, if you pick any arbitrary bitcoin transaction at that time, it's highly likely it will have originated from a large volume source in the recent past.

I think it's more likely a case of mistaken identity; there are many people in this world, and I think that the chance of someone remembering someone from 3 years ago that they saw for half an hour, tops, with sufficient accuracy for a positive ID is much lower than the chance that there are simply two middle aged asian men who look vaguely similar. It's also improbable that "satoshi" would fly across the country for this purchase. One person's word is certainly not compelling to me.

Even if that account is 100% accurate, it does not link the man who paid with bitcoins to satoshi, but merely to Dorian. The HN link relies on the flawed NewsWeek article to make the further connection from Dorian to Satoshi.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by ldargin »

josephagoss wrote: post #5

This is likely to be the admin of the site perhaps? Or a hacker? I would have expected the real Satoshi to sign a message from his known address making it certain it's him.

Its not the admin. Michel Bauwins runs the P2P foundation. He is busy advising the president of Ecuador on their economy. Not a good suspect for juvenile fakery, imho.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by fallinghawks »

danielnaab wrote: post #47

I'm confused by all this. I find the drama interesting, but Newsweek quoted this: "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it," he says, dismissing all further queries with a swat of his left hand. "It's been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection." Did the reporter really lie about this statement? That seems like really a massive stretch, to me.

Reporters misquote and put their personal or editorial spin on even the most trivial stuff. (Speaking from personal experience.)

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by azcoder »

euank wrote: post #73
azcoder wrote: post #63

I think the most compelling evidence that Dorian is Satoshi is described here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7354326 [EDIT: if an eyewitness account is compelling enough for you, this is evidence. it is to me, apparently not to some.] Dorian (as recognized by the retailer) bought a crepe from one of the first retailers to accept bitcoins, the 1st transaction of the crepe retailer's bitcoin address at 1KfQKmME7…

Unfortunately, that proves nothing. Early on, there were so few people mining that practically everyone had a "large volume". As such, if you pick any arbitrary bitcoin transaction at that time, it's highly likely it will have originated from a large volume source in the recent past. I think it's more likely a case of mistaken identity; there are many people in this world, and I think that the chance of someone remem…

>Unfortunately, that proves nothing.

Linking Dorian to Bitcoin at any time proves everything, proves Dorian = Satoshi. If Dorian paid for crepe in July 2011 with Bitcoin, Dorian is lying and Dorian = Satoshi. There was a large Bitcoin Conference in New York at that time, giving good reason to be there. The retailer said she recognized Dorian as the customer. He didn't want his picture taken or name recorded. Good odds to me it was him.

And "large volume" = 432,000 coins.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by dfc »

poopicus wrote: post #72
dfc wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair This is a strange and unhealthy response. What was so hard/uncomfortable about saying "I did not realize" or "I was wrong"? It is okay to be wrong or not know something.

He did say he was wrong. He was simply stating he was surprised he didn't realise sooner, given how he had already identified a similar method of forgery in an earlier affair.

No he did not. Unless you are 5 years old "Duh, I knew that" is not the same thing as admitting fault:

"Duh, it's fake. Obviously, it's possible to set your system clock back. I was so intrigued I wasn't thinking clearly, even after I pointed this very "attack" out during the Ed Snowden GPG affair. Sorry folks, maybe if it were timestamped in the blockchain."

He played it off and says the real answer is obvious. Then he provides an excuse for not recognizing this obvious truth. Finally to make matters super strange he informs us (w/o evidence) that he was the one that pointed this "attack" out to us during the Snowden affair.

Re: Satoshi Nakamoto denies being Dorian Nakamoto

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Post by justinreeves »

euank wrote: post #73
azcoder wrote: post #63

I think the most compelling evidence that Dorian is Satoshi is described here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7354326 [EDIT: if an eyewitness account is compelling enough for you, this is evidence. it is to me, apparently not to some.] Dorian (as recognized by the retailer) bought a crepe from one of the first retailers to accept bitcoins, the 1st transaction of the crepe retailer's bitcoin address at 1KfQKmME7…

Unfortunately, that proves nothing. Early on, there were so few people mining that practically everyone had a "large volume". As such, if you pick any arbitrary bitcoin transaction at that time, it's highly likely it will have originated from a large volume source in the recent past. I think it's more likely a case of mistaken identity; there are many people in this world, and I think that the chance of someone remem…

Mistaken identity is likely, considering how eyewitness accounts are actually quite unreliable.
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