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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by whatevsbro »

kevinskii wrote: post #349
gizmo686 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit more clarification. Miranda isn't ever required , however anything you say to them before having been read you rights cannot be used against you in court, nor can evidence acquired as a result of what you said (with exceptions for both cases).

A bit more clarification still: Anything you say to them while in custody cannot be used unless you have been Mirandized.

> Anything you say to them while in custody cannot be used unless you have been Mirandized.

Dudes, seriously? You just read a blog post about how thuggish police officers just abuse you however the fuck they want to, with no regard to your rights or due process or anything, and you're citing some obscure, minute details of the laws that were supposed to somehow prevent those very same abuses from happening?

It's like you've just seen fish swimming, but proceed to cite some obscure document that says fish cannot swim.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by vidarh »

mherdeg wrote: post #432
swombat wrote: post #339

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This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. I consider myself part of the HN community because I hope for a society shaped by its ideals, but the real world is so far removed that time spent here becomes more of a therapeutic escape than anything else. You say that, but this ideal world is the world I live in, and have lived in all my life. You should consider moving to Europe (U…

Western Europe has its own problems. The U.K. has "superinjunctions" and aggressively punitive libel laws and press restrictions. In some places in Switzerland, relationships with non-Swiss residents are so strained that local authorities have sometimes sought to ban "asylum-seekers" from public places because they are seen as dangerous criminals ( http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/26/swiss-segregati... ). In…

A bit of a nitpick:

Maybe you have their nationality from another source (though I googled the case and didn't find any articles stating their nationality), but this article does not state the nationality of the Roma girl or her parents.

Roma or Romani refers to the ethnicity of a people that emigrated from India as a group, and does not in itself have anything at all to do with Romania.

While Romania has one of the largest Romani concentrations, and there certainly are Roma that are also of Romanian nationality, many other countries - including Ireland - have populations of Roma that may have lived there for generations and whose ancestors may very well never have lived in Romania at all.

(The mother of the boy that was taken in a separate incident is mentioned in the article as being Romanian, on the other hand)

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by jabr »

ForHackernews wrote: post #104
anateus wrote: post #81

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Just to provide a data point: I know the OP personally. I can't be sure that there are no omissions, but him saying things like that is not surprising and it doesn't feel like there are holes. His particular demeanor and pattern of speech would likely make it seem not so much pompous as just eccentric. He's very obviously earnest, and not in the naive way often encountered in the Bay Area these days. Trying to show y…

> not in the naive way often encountered in the Bay Area these days. Really? Because reading this, he comes across as the epitome of naivete. Are people really this clueless about how to interact with cops? FTR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

You do realize that he was born and raised in the late USSR, right?

You are seriously defending US police actions that made a former Soviet citizen worry about what would happen next?!

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by coldtea »

wutbrodo wrote: post #594
coldtea wrote: post #552

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> All because you blew a red light, which by the way is basically instantly a ticket if you're in a car, and couldn't immediately admit wrongdoing and move on. Sorry, if you were a buddy of mine telling me that story, I'd tell you you were a moron for deciding to "educate" the police officer. So, the "american way" you propose is to BEND OVER and take abuse and injustice from police officers? You sure are pragmatic -…

The abuse and injustice is irrelevant at that point because it hasn't happened. What 'debt' is saying is that it was a stupid reaction to getting stopped for a red light violation, not that the abuse that followed was justified. Those two views are not contradictory.

>What 'debt' is saying is that it was a stupid reaction to getting stopped for a red light violation

Besides getting stopped for a traffic violation he was asked to provide something that was not mandatory by law. Even worse, the policemen cited the law wrongly (and for something quite basic). This is indefensible.

But that's beside the point. I take offense with the notion against his "stupid reaction" in general.

What this talk about "stupid reaction" reveals is a citizenry that is conditioned to receive all kinds of abuse from police officers and to blindly obey orders, to avoid getting on their nerves.

He should be allowed to have any kind of "stupid reaction". He should be allowed to voice his protests and discuss the matter without being hailed to jail. There's nothing "throw him in jail" about "trying to educate a police officer".

In every country with a civilized police force (at least in Western Europe), that is in any country where police is catering to citizens and not barking at peasants, you CAN have all kind of "stupid reactions" when talking to the police and you don't get beaten or thrown in jail for it (at least not as a regular occurence -- it might happen from time to time).

That you can casually get shot for reaching for your mobile phone or tased just because you said something to protest being asked to leave some place, is something that just does not happen.

Even the "hands on the dashboard" and "don't get out of the car when pulled over or you'll might get shot" routines are unheard of.

Perhaps it's time to demand more courtesy from the police, instead of taking for granted having to be all too cautious whenever they appear.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by coldtea »

adanto6840 wrote: post #577
coldtea wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit more clarification: what's to stop them from LYING that they have Mirandized you?

A jury of your peers...

Who'll be able to tell how? Their word over yours? And if you're black and your "peers" are 80% middle class whites?

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Post by liotier »

modoc wrote: post #434
damian2000 wrote: post #419

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Isn't the wording 'convicted of a crime' rather than 'arrested'... you could be arrested, and then let go without being charged or convicted of anything.

It depends. The Global Entry program for instance cares about arrests, not convictions. Work background checks will turn up arrests as well.

How is that legal ? As a European, I am utterly puzzled.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by gcv »

blackzoid wrote: post #590
gcv wrote: post #570

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> try it next time you get a traffic ticket and tell me how it goes It worked quite well, thank you. I did not say a word, gave the cop my license and registration as required by law, signed my ticket, and hired a lawyer to get it thrown out later.

Why hire a lawyer for a traffic ticket? Would that not cost more and kind of be a waste of time for everyone.

While the fine itself was negligible, a moving violation significantly increases insurance premiums. A lawyer who specializes in fighting traffic tickets is far cheaper than overpaying for insurance for the next decade.

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Post by dagw »

blackzoid wrote: post #590
gcv wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> try it next time you get a traffic ticket and tell me how it goes It worked quite well, thank you. I did not say a word, gave the cop my license and registration as required by law, signed my ticket, and hired a lawyer to get it thrown out later.

Why hire a lawyer for a traffic ticket? Would that not cost more and kind of be a waste of time for everyone.

Some people have it has a hobby. I know a guy who on principle never pays a parking or traffic ticket without dragging the whole thing through court for as long as he can. For him the time and money involved are immaterial when compared to the principal of the matter.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by liotier »

rdl wrote: post #484
herbig wrote: post #240

Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

Isn't there an ID requirement when driving a vehicle in NY State? It varies by state, and usually if you're not being a dick even if you don't have it, but give enough information to be looked up, it's fine. I don't know if bicycles are considered vehicles in NYS/NYC. Clearly you can ride a bicycle without ever having a drivers license (as kids can do it), but it may be the case that if you have had one issued, you'd…

In France, when you run a red light on a bicycle, the police will fine you but they can't ask for your driving license because it is not required for cycling. As a delinquent cyclist, I can attest that enforcement is now quite tight and done fairly - and I welcome that !

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by [deleted] »

herbig wrote: post #240

Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

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