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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

corresation wrote: post #52
mindslight wrote: post #3

OP definitely needs to sue the city, as well as the aggressors personally. Every cop involved in this situation should be spending years in prison for battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, and torture. Until justice for victims of the police becomes routine, they're nothing but another gang and the only good cop is a dead cop.

they're nothing but another gang and the only good cop is a dead cop. Hacker News is rapidly becoming Reddit. Reddit has its place, but this is not a good thing .

I've noticed the same. Inflammatory comments being upvoted, unpopular discussion being downvoted.

When somebody finds the next Hacker News, please let me know.

(I expect this comment to be downvoted, and it probably should be. Just expressing my frustration.)

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by joesmo »

williamcotton wrote: post #79

> Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think. Are you fucking kidding me? Do NOT listen to this advice. If you see someone injured, CALL 911! Do NOT move the person if there is suspicion of spinal or head injury. Wait for the HIGHLY TRAINED emergency response team to show up. > Call Lyft to take you to the hospital. (Worked well when I broke my elbow.) Are…

Public servants. That's a good one. The only public the police serve are their own sick and cruel interests. If they served the public, perhaps they'd actually stop real crime.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by ForHackernews »

anateus wrote: post #81
rayiner wrote: post #38

The narrative is totally not credible. There are gaps where its obvious that the author did something to elicit a reaction, but what that was is omitted from the story. My guess would be that the author was being a smart ass, and given the drinking more belligerent than he recalls in retrospect. No, the cops shouldn't have roughed him up just for being a pompous asshole,[1] but the author should tell the whole story.…

Just to provide a data point: I know the OP personally. I can't be sure that there are no omissions, but him saying things like that is not surprising and it doesn't feel like there are holes. His particular demeanor and pattern of speech would likely make it seem not so much pompous as just eccentric. He's very obviously earnest, and not in the naive way often encountered in the Bay Area these days. Trying to show y…

> not in the naive way often encountered in the Bay Area these days.

Really? Because reading this, he comes across as the epitome of naivete. Are people really this clueless about how to interact with cops?

FTR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by dctoedt »

pacaro wrote: post #39

FWIW I'm not going to offer an opinion on whether 20+% is a good tip, but tipping with a credit card has a lower value to the server. All tips are notionally taxable income, whether a server chooses to declare all their cash tips is their choice, when you tip with a credit card it stops being their choice - and there's no way of telling how much of the tip is diverted by the establishment.

Downvoted for encouraging tax fraud.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by hnriot »

deletes wrote: post #63
taybin wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my location in the US, all three come when you call.

Isn't that kinda an over-exaggerated response, if you only need one of them?

they assume the caller ins't qualified to make the right determination. Not only is the US a police state, but also a Nanny state.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by ryguytilidie »

squintychino wrote: post #24
nav1 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They don't give a shit about your elbow nor should they. What? Just because you are being arrested doesn't mean that they can treat you like that.

They have guns. They have the power to end your existence. So yes, they CAN treat people like this. We gave them that power when they were hired and our tax dollars started paying their salary.

Its almost as though the citizens can remove that power if its abused...

Is your point that because citizens gave police power at some point that they can't possibly object to them abusing it...?

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by lyndonh »

10feet wrote: post #56
mindslight wrote: post #3

OP definitely needs to sue the city, as well as the aggressors personally. Every cop involved in this situation should be spending years in prison for battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, and torture. Until justice for victims of the police becomes routine, they're nothing but another gang and the only good cop is a dead cop.

This is a harrowing tale, but remember this is just one side of the story. And you don't know how inebriated this guy really was. But always best to follow instructions from the police, especially when you are not involved in the situation.

He said he had 3 beers over 3 hours. Assuming he is of average build for someone working "in an early stage start up" then I would think he wasn't wasted at all.

Given that he called 911, he definitely had some connection to the situation.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by gamache »

NegativeK wrote: post #93
gamache wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the attitude police departments prop up and justify every time they close ranks around officers who commit this kind of misconduct, instead of feeding the bad cops to the dogs and maintaining high standards of public service. Is the attitude morally right? Immaterial.

An attitude of fuck the police on the side of the citizens makes the problem worse. Both sides have to meet. Also, like hell morality is immaterial.

No, there is no requirement for both sides to meet. Police serve the citizens. That's how public service goes.

Their job is hard. They deal with assholes the likes of which most of us never see, they get shot at and kicked and punched and spat at and sworn at, and still their job is to protect and serve the public without fail. No shortcuts.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

kelnos wrote: post #85
BlackDeath3 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your mistake is your idea of "they". They aren't all one. I don't know that I can blame you for taking the "safe" approach and avoiding police, but don't punish them for your irrationally-negative outlook.

I don't find the parent's attitude irrational at all. If police brutality was a rare unicorn-like event, then I could understand your point of view, but it's not. Not even remotely so. I've been lucky in that my interactions with police have ranged from professionally neutral (mostly traffic cops) to indifferent and bored (cop at a police station clearly not giving two shits that I'd just been mugged). (Of course, me…

>Perception matters more than reality sometimes.

Hence, the irrationality comment. Somebody who has one pleasant experience with a cop has had a good day. Somebody who has had one friend murdered by a cop probably never trusts any police again.

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