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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

sehr wrote: post #207
BlackDeath3 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed the same. Inflammatory comments being upvoted, unpopular discussion being downvoted. When somebody finds the next Hacker News, please let me know. (I expect this comment to be downvoted, and it probably should be. Just expressing my frustration.)

https://lobste.rs/ is a viable alternative if you are looking for decent discussions on technology. Smaller subreddits seem to have much better discussion as well.

I didn't really expect a good, helpful response. Thank you for the link!

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Post by doorty »

janj wrote: post #97

I posted this in another thread today but it's even more relevant here. We need a way to track when police officers have violent interactions with the public. We should be able to look up any officer and find their history of abuse of authority if it exists to make it easier to identify patterns. We can't trust these people with power if we can't hold them responsible. I would love to help work on this with someone.

Same here. This hits close to home for me--literally, my girlfriend lives right there, she broke her elbow on a bike, and we go to that bar sometimes. We could of very easily been in that same situation. I'm a developer and happy to help.

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Post by lostcolony »

BlackDeath3 wrote: post #184
lostcolony wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every good cop who is managing to effectively stop a bad cop, means yet another bad cop. That is, we're hearing about bad cops who aren't being stopped by good ones. A lot. "Well, the good ones are out there!"; they're either ineffective, or effective, in which case the number of bad cops is even higher than we hear about. Neither of those is particularly placating.

You aren't aware of it, so it isn't so? Really? Next, you'll tell me that Fox News really is "fair and balanced". Good police exist, and will continue to exist, despite civilian hostility and shifting definitions of what it means to be a "good cop". I'll never claim that no police are bad, or that there aren't many bad police, but I know that I'll never envy the good ones as long as the people filling this comment pa…

Did you even read my post?

I'm saying, we hear about X bad cops.

There may indeed by Y good cops. I am not making any claim about the existence or non-existence of Y good cops (in fact, I've interacted with good cops, so if I was to make any claim at all, it's simply that they exist, and the effects they have on bad cops are unknown).

These Y good cops are either doing nothing to stop bad cops (and thus are ineffective at stopping bad cops; this may be simply because they are in different departments, and/or unaware of it if it's happening within the same one, and/or they may be powerless to stop it, etc etc), or they are effective at stopping Z bad cops (for a total number of X + Z bad cops, since X are still not being stopped).

Either of these situations is terrible, because either the good cops are not stopping bad cops from being bad, or they are, but there are enough bad cops that the good cops are unable to stop them all (and thus the numbers of bad cops are even higher than we hear about).

I'm not sure how else I can put that for you.

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Post by justizin »

josh2600 wrote: post #200
morsch wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I understand that on some level putting Peretz in jail was a reasonable response to him not leaving the scene, ..." It sounds completely unreasonable to me, by the way. Of course he doesn't want to leave, he just found someone bleeding in the street, it's natural to care about what happens to them. Why should he leave? And why would he go to jail after not obeying immediately? Isn't there something else that you guy…

It's rational for a police officer to respond to civil disobedience in some circumstances with detention. That is not unreasonable in some situations, particularly one where lives are at stake or where there is clear and present danger. My point is that while the arrest may have been bad, what happened after is egregious and clearly definable as awful. There's lots of blame to go around here but blame does little goo…

following the 911 operator's instructions is not civil disobedience.

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Post by nkurz »

ForHackernews wrote: post #104
anateus wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to provide a data point: I know the OP personally. I can't be sure that there are no omissions, but him saying things like that is not surprising and it doesn't feel like there are holes. His particular demeanor and pattern of speech would likely make it seem not so much pompous as just eccentric. He's very obviously earnest, and not in the naive way often encountered in the Bay Area these days. Trying to show y…

> not in the naive way often encountered in the Bay Area these days. Really? Because reading this, he comes across as the epitome of naivete. Are people really this clueless about how to interact with cops? FTR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

I don't know him, but I doubt he is naive in the "believes in fairy tales and doesn't understand how the world really works" manner that you suggest. Here's a story about the author's background and how he ended up coaching basketball in Afghanistan: http://www.brandeis.edu/magazine/2013/spring/featured-storie...

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Post by [deleted] »

josh2600 wrote: post #88

I know Peretz personally and he's one of the most rational people I've ever met. There's some question as to whether he should've left the scene or not and I think there's some discussion to be had there, but what happened afterwards is unquestionably wrong. This is who the police stripped naked and put in jail: http://www.brandeis.edu/magazine/2013/spring/featured-storie... This is not a person we should fear. I und…

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Post by gknoy »

Buttons840 wrote: post #146
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #44

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Video all interactions with police more serious than a traffic stop and video those if you can get away with it legally. Cameras are cheap and Internet streaming is easy.

It seems like the less serious offenses should be video tapped as well. Why not? Nothing serious is going to happen, right? Police themselves should wear cameras at all times, and that footage should be made freely available to the public.

I'd say that the ones where you think it might not be serious are precisely the ones you should definitely be recording: you might not treat it with the same gravity, especially when you feel that you've done nothing wrong or that the most likely outcome is a ticket or scolding.

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Post by x0054 »

maratd wrote: post #161

When a cop gives you instructions to leave, you leave. Not because the cop is right, but because this shit happens. And if you're naive enough to think that this shit won't happen to you, try not complying with a cop's instructions. Doesn't matter where in the US you happen to be. It's that simple. Look, here's a simple rule. In every interaction with the police, ask if you can leave. If you can, count your lucky sta…

Or as one Chicago cop famously pointed out: "to preserve disorder."

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Post by scarmig »

williamcotton wrote: post #79

> Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think. Are you fucking kidding me? Do NOT listen to this advice. If you see someone injured, CALL 911! Do NOT move the person if there is suspicion of spinal or head injury. Wait for the HIGHLY TRAINED emergency response team to show up. > Call Lyft to take you to the hospital. (Worked well when I broke my elbow.) Are…

...call 911 and be assaulted and thrown in solitary for... well, some doubtlessly minor reason, if any at all? No thanks.

If someone's having a serious stroke and immobile, yes, of course call an ambulance. A broken arm or leg? A Lyft is probably your best bet. I'd draw the line at something like "minor heart attack."

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