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Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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post #106

Nothing on this page effectively answers the single most common response to mass surveillance: "Why should I care if they read my emails? I'm not important and I don't do anything wrong. If it helps them catch terrorists, who cares?" Until this question is answered clearly and effectively, nobody except all those splinter groups represented by so many logos will care about this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1fwj66/u161719_t... This somewhat answers that!

It's a post on /r/conspiracy, though. A good deal of people are going to be turned away by that fact.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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post #4

I support this effort 100%, but... there's something a bit off about the messaging that I can't quite put my finger on. Perhaps "the day"? This is going to be a long haul, not like killing SOPA or some other bad bill. This system is entrenched, and has a lot of support. It's going to be a long fight, and it's going to be a slog. For those in the US, though, please do call your representatives.

If I had to point to one thing it would be "the day". * It's clearly going to take more than a day to achieve a positive outcome in a system that was established over many decades * What happens when "the day" ends? * Since the action is framed as "the day", this is how the media will report on it - including outcomes of the day . These outcomes, whatever they are, will be packaged with the day and thus more easily d…

I think drives like these (whether intended to or not) result in heightened awareness of a problem, not necessarily a fixed outcome.

If something like this took place once a year (where sites protest mass surveillance) it would assure that people continue to discuss the issue instead of slowly forgetting about it.

Labeling the effort "The Day We Fight Back" has a certain "shock" value that intrigues people. If instead it were marketed as "let's talk about long-term strategies for dismantling mass-surveillance" support would probably trickle in.

After all, signing a petition or putting a url on your site isn't really "fighting back," it's a protesting.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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post #106

Nothing on this page effectively answers the single most common response to mass surveillance: "Why should I care if they read my emails? I'm not important and I don't do anything wrong. If it helps them catch terrorists, who cares?" Until this question is answered clearly and effectively, nobody except all those splinter groups represented by so many logos will care about this.

The fact that an insider-heavy oversight panel said this stuff is ineffective and intrusive and should be stopped seems like a strong point, even if you value nothing more than the billions of taxpayer dollars.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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How much traffic can your infrastructure handle?

Would it be too much to ask for an easy to clone repo (github?) that would allow one to serve the content directly rather than by including some 3rd party javascript widget?

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pull requests for corrections or installation sequences are welcome.

No problems, I can see one or two bits that I think could do with clarifying (not least to get rid of emacs :P ). I'll have a go at it this evening and take notes.

The particular editor isn't all that important. You could just use nano or vi. I don't think any of the instructions contain anything really Emacs specific.

I happen to use Emacs and the source for the site is an org-mode document, which makes editing it very easy. Exporting it as HTML is a few key presses.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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It seems to be the focus is a lot on the NSA .. The NSA just happens to be the best at what they do. The Brits and Germans are pretty good too. As a Dutchman I know a lot of the HUMANINT stuff here relies on hijacking SQL databases and metasploit, and what is provided from other sources. But everyone is trying to catch up and make friends with ..

We basically need a publicly audited restructuring of our entire communication infrastructure. The problem has grown to such proportions that we now know that we can not trust governing institutions like NIST, or chip manufacturers like Intel for example. What makes matters much worse is that the U.S. government will just keep playing the same card of supposed reforms, while operations will not cease, but instead will do a illusive dance to more black on black policies.

At the same time, public interest in the matter has already massively dwindled due to over saturation in media coverage. While the cointelpro is working hard to dismiss everything as essentials to provide us with a (sense of) security for the global fight of terrorism and crime, apathy will prevail.

Also I'm referring to U.S. policies a lot, since they are the ring leaders and are influencing international policy and operations at the highest level.

But obviously this is a problem across many if not all governments. The nature of intelligence agencies is to gather intelligence by any means. This will never change, never disappear unless we get full transparency on government. Which will never happen due to concerns for national security. And we know where that road will lead to.. ask how Bradly Manning is doing.

So no, I'm a bit too informed, and have become way too cynical to be counting on a revolution any time soon :(

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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post #25

All of the people who built the site and the banner are volunteers who met on HN across various threads, and not members of any of the advocacy orgs or companies listed on the site. We're really interested in getting feedback on how future campaigns can be better, and happy to discuss some of the decisions we made. The non-profits involved did all the legal and organization lifting, and this is a great opportunity to…

First off I love the "we'll call you and do all the work" implementation. Really lowers the barriers to entry.

Second there are two tricky bits of the workflow that didn't quite work for me.

1. Feinstein doesn't have a mailbox, and if you wait on hold for more than 2 minutes the line hangs up.

There was no mechanism to have tdwfb "try again later." So now the burden is on me again. (tiny violin)

2. I was connected to two congresspeeps.

Only one is valid, but zip is ambiguous. I suggest that if someone spends time talking to the first rep, then the second shouldn't even be mentioned.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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post #83
post #37

Hash tags to show support? History is fucking laughing at us today.

History's not the only one. This is just adorable. I'm sure everyone involved feels like a really, really good person, though.

Coordination of phone calls and emails to legislators seems to make a bigger difference than uncoordinated phone calls and emails. Posting banners on websites and sharing it on facebook isn't enough - by miles - but it helps people feel they're a part of something and if we hammer home that there are next steps to be taken maybe we can make some difference. Mockery only helps the establishment.
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