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Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#101

Post by danielweber »

fidotron wrote: post #90

I honestly think this is naive at best, and at worst useful idiocy on behalf of the companies dependent on the illusion the aim is even achievable. Mass surveillance, if technically possible, is going to happen. Therefore make services where it isn't possible. If that screws with your business model you're part of the problem.

I'm put off because "The Day We Fight Back" sounds like something a 17 year old would say.

Are they forming a political action committee and hiring professionals? That is boring stodgy stuff but it's the boring stuff that makes up politics and has a good track record of being successful.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#102

Post by dllthomas »

Just heard a report on Democracy Now, where the EFF spokeswoman interviewed raised some important points that shouldn't be overlooked regarding privacy rights and when searches take place, &c, but seemed to accept Obama's assertion that they are only looking at collected data when there is cause. From my understanding, that is false. It is probably true that they are only supposed to look at data when there is cause, but the reports of instances of "LOVEINT" - spying on (current, former, or potential) romantic partners - seem to indicate more access, especially the fact that the instances of such abuses as have been found were self-reported (so other misdeeds may very well be going undiscovered).

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#103

Post by 7952 »

suprgeek wrote: post #23

Why don't we (as the hacker/programmer community) also "fight back" in the meaningful & legal way that is our core strength? Resolve to push for encryption if there is any PII data in an app that you work with especially if it is a e-mail/mobile/social app. at scale Refuse to work with/at NSA until their policies change Refuse to participate in any committee/standards body, conferences, with NSA employees (or their c…

I think it would be hard to build a movement around the things you list. The core competency of the hacker/programmer community is technical and a lot of the technical solutions tend to have significant difficulties in implementation (such as email encryption).

Why not focus on a very limited number of simple to understand technical goals. For example, you could advocate the creation of private encrypted tunnels between large corporate networks. So that all traffic is routed by default over a VPN if such a route exists. This lets encryption be a compliance issue for an IT department rather than a user level app problem.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#104

Post by NicoJuicy »

sinak wrote: post #25

All of the people who built the site and the banner are volunteers who met on HN across various threads, and not members of any of the advocacy orgs or companies listed on the site. We're really interested in getting feedback on how future campaigns can be better, and happy to discuss some of the decisions we made. The non-profits involved did all the legal and organization lifting, and this is a great opportunity to…

I'm actually curious how long it takes before Google adds it to their frontpage :)

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#106

Post by sneak »

Nothing on this page effectively answers the single most common response to mass surveillance:

"Why should I care if they read my emails? I'm not important and I don't do anything wrong. If it helps them catch terrorists, who cares?"

Until this question is answered clearly and effectively, nobody except all those splinter groups represented by so many logos will care about this.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#107

Post by Chirael »

I like the idea of the "enter your phone #, we'll call you and show you a script, then connect you".

But I wish there was also a link for a more traditional "here are the phone #s of your representatives and a sample script".

With the latter, I could just print out that page and find a private place at work - away from my desk - to make the brief phone call.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#108

Post by sneak »

All the logos in the world aren't going to make foreign organizations trust American companies with their data again.

The blow to trust has been struck. Operating a data processing or data storage business inside US jurisdiction is now a liability.

It's time to leave.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by uvTwitch »

sneak wrote: post #106

Nothing on this page effectively answers the single most common response to mass surveillance: "Why should I care if they read my emails? I'm not important and I don't do anything wrong. If it helps them catch terrorists, who cares?" Until this question is answered clearly and effectively, nobody except all those splinter groups represented by so many logos will care about this.

I'm going to make the assumption here that you would not be happy with your government installing and monitoring surveillance cameras in your home bathroom.

This isn't really all that different; it's just your private communications being observed, instead of your private parts.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#110

Post by surana90 »

sneak wrote: post #106

Nothing on this page effectively answers the single most common response to mass surveillance: "Why should I care if they read my emails? I'm not important and I don't do anything wrong. If it helps them catch terrorists, who cares?" Until this question is answered clearly and effectively, nobody except all those splinter groups represented by so many logos will care about this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1fwj66/u161719_t...

This somewhat answers that!

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