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Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by motters »

mikegriff wrote: post #69
eliasmacpherson wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not little - it's quite comprehensive. Excellent job done. It's explained quite well in a very enjoyable writing style. I think anyone who knows enough to add a banner to a webpage can work their way through the document. It's a good idea to promote it as an alternative because from the outside at least, it seems freedombox has lost momentum since the privoxy release, even though the idea is sound.

I didn't mean to belittle it all, I'm well impressed with it. Nicely explained for the most part and I saw afterwards that it's up on github too so it's easy to send in corrections for it. I had to look up Friendica and Movim to see what they were (I'd never heard of them before), it'd be nice to have links to the respective homepages, so off I'll go and add them in.

Pull requests for corrections or installation sequences are welcome.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by josefresco »

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and suggest that if political involvement is what we're shooting for, robo-calling your representatives isn't the best way to achieve true reform.

Pissed that the NSA (or insert gov agency here) is running amok? Get involved in your government, vote out the lawmakers who let/made [it] happen, and advocate for and vote in representatives who will invoke the change you want.

Appealing to the public in this manor encourages laziness and while it may be "practical" (as we can't expect everyone to throw themselves into the process) I don't think it's the best long term solution.

Not trying to torpedo this movement but I cringe whenever I see the words "script" when talking about invoking political or societal change.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by motters »

minimize_me wrote: post #79
motters wrote: post #34

My little fight back are some instructions on how to provide your own internet services, including encryption. http://freedombone.uk.to/ It's not ideal, of course, but in the short term since there seems to be no political appetite for relinquishment or meaningful reform then technical mitigation strategies - if they can be sufficiently popularised - may help to reduce the harm resulting from mass surveillance. Ultim…

This is really, really, well done. It'd be nice with some simple styling, to not make it look too "alpha-geek" to the wider tech sphere. Otherwise, cracking work.

Anyone with better web page design skills is welcome to make changes or forks via the Github site.

https://github.com/fuzzgun/freedombone

Presentation and clear readability is certainly an important factor.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

dannyeff wrote: post #47
mkl wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(My comment here is about the international version of the site - the USA one is much clearer in its purpose.) One crucial piece of information I haven't been able to find is what happens to the names and email addresses people enter. How does filling in those boxes amount to taking action? I am strongly opposed to mass surveillance, but thedaywefightback.org doesn't seem to be communicating successfully how exactly…

Hey mkl, So they'll be a shorter version of this on the main site soon, but I can spell it out at greater length and more informally here. (I'm EFF's International Director, btw) The short answer is that you're signing your support for a set of 13 principles on the application of human rights to communications surveillance ( see https://necessaryandproportionate.net/ ), that were worked out last year (pre-Snowden, ac…

A (unofficial and probably wrong) precis of those 13 Principles:

1. Legality - privacy restrictions must be prescribed by law.

2. Legitimate Aim - What you want to break privacy for must be to support laws.

3. Necessity: We cannot (reasonably) achieve the aim without breaching privacy.

4. Adequacy: Listening to your phone calls must reasonably allow us to achieve the aim.

5. Proportionality: Don't listen to everyone when only some will do.

6. Competent Judicial Authority: Any breach of privacy must be authorised by Independant, capable judges.

7. Due process: Who follow a clear process

8. User notification: and tell you you are being watched (unless that might hurt the Aim)

9. Transparency: We get to see the metadata on their phone tapping

10. Public oversight: and a few of us get to see everything not just the metadata

11. Integrity of communications and systems: backdoors are not allowed, if you are bugging us legally, you dont need a back door

12: Safeguards for international cooperation: No playing arbitrage with different jurisdictions

13: Safeguards against illegitimate access: and secure your stuff.

I hope those help

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by chris_wot »

brokenparser wrote: post #33
Singletoned wrote: post #32

Surely this site has been set up by the NSA to harvest the details of everyone who opposes them...?

Or perhaps the NSA was set up by the campaign organisers so they would have something to run an anti-campaign against.

How do I know you aren't someone from the NSA posting this to throw us off the scent?

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by LukeShu »

sinak wrote: post #25

All of the people who built the site and the banner are volunteers who met on HN across various threads, and not members of any of the advocacy orgs or companies listed on the site. We're really interested in getting feedback on how future campaigns can be better, and happy to discuss some of the decisions we made. The non-profits involved did all the legal and organization lifting, and this is a great opportunity to…

I think this is really great.

Since you are asking for feedback, I heard this on IRC when I mentioned adding thedaywefightback.js to a site I manage.

     lukeshu did you tell 'em already:
        #findTheError "The Day We Fight Back" against mass
        surveillance has on its website #twitter and
        #facebook offered (only) thedaywefightback.org
That said, I'm not personally sure what's popular these days in terms of decentralized social networking.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Post by fidotron »

I honestly think this is naive at best, and at worst useful idiocy on behalf of the companies dependent on the illusion the aim is even achievable.

Mass surveillance, if technically possible, is going to happen. Therefore make services where it isn't possible. If that screws with your business model you're part of the problem.

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