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Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by rosser »

RyanZAG wrote: post #32
colinbartlett wrote: post #14

I would not take some offhanded remark from an outsourced, minimum wage, offshore worker as confirmation of anything.

By far the most correct observation. These guys are just following a script - they probably don't even know what half of the words mean. Please don't read anything into it or assume the outsourced support is somehow privy to anything at all that goes on inside Verizon other than what the FAQ system he's using tells him on screen.

I'd be with you if you'd said, "By for the most likely correct observation."

But you're asserting the truth of this position, not its probability, and I don't think anyone participating in this discussion thus far has sufficient information to do that.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by rosser »

padseeker wrote: post #55

How do we, IT savvy people capable of monitoring, testing and verifying this stuff, use our collective skills to monitor each ISP and communicate who is doing the best/worst job? As long as there is at least one ISP provider who is not throttling traffic, we should reward that ISP that does not discriminate on web traffic, and punish the ones that do. You might have to show some differences across different regions a…

This is one of the reasons I'm a loyal Sonic customer, despite paying more dollars for less bandwidth, relative to my friends and coworkers who use, for example, Comcast.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by wmf »

JangoSteve wrote: post #64
trigger wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix already do this, http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/

I'm a little confused by the average speed reported in their speed index. Not sure about the others, but I know Comcast and AT&T both offer several speed tiers. Is their average speed reported here affected by the percentage of customers who purchase the lowest tier?

Yes, which is why the data is effectively impossible to interpret. Only the FCC reports speed as a percentage of the plan. http://www.fcc.gov/measuring-broadband-america

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by wmf »

ChrisLTD wrote: post #195
cobookman wrote: post #178

The industry as a whole will eventually just charge a per GB cost. During peak hours its more expensive...etc, just like electricity. The interesting part will be if they still have speed tiers. Its really in both parties best interest.

I'm guessing there will be speed tiers at first. The telecom industry doesn't leave money on the table without pressure from the government or fierce competition.

Speed tiers at first? Pretty much all Internet connections today are sold by speed already.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by jmccree »

stox wrote: post #134
twoodfin wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily. It might just be bypassing the congested route that everyone else on your ISP is using. Comcast and Verizon have had disagreements peering with Cogent, one of Netflix's ISPs: http://gigaom.com/2013/06/20/verizon-that-peering-flap-about... It's not throttling, but rather the peering points along the "best" route between Cogent and Comcast/Verizon are overloaded, resulting in lousy connections between…

Disagreements with Cogent? Well, I never....

I feel it's unfortunate there's likely a lot of people newer to or unfamiliar with the bandwidth market that will not fully grok this comment.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by darkarmani »

netneutrohno wrote: post #179
colinbartlett wrote: post #14

I would not take some offhanded remark from an outsourced, minimum wage, offshore worker as confirmation of anything.

Yup, Verizon confirmed that it isn't throttling anything. http://bgr.com/2014/02/05/verizon-throttling-netflix-amazon-...

Too bad there is proof that they are throttling. Whether it is by policy or accident, they speed differences indicate that they are affecting it.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by cbaleanu »

kevinchen wrote: post #174
cbaleanu wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title of this article is also very misleading. Did not find any reference to the neutrality law in the article.

Verizon throttling AWS has nothing to do with net neutrality?

Did you even read the article?

It's more about low available bandwidth + more users, visible in the afternoons, when he is at home, in his residential area.

Comparing speed there with what he has at the office, after office hours, he gets an 'yes' to his questions from a guy most likely located on a different continent.

I still don't see the net neutrality issue in the article.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by aroch »

spinlock wrote: post #142

This is why I think streaming is a broken model: it spikes usage at the same time every day. BitTorrent (or just off-line downloading) is so much better because you can amortize the download over the whole day and take advantage of off-peak bandwidth. We just need to convince copyright holders that its in their best interest to deliver a superior product.

Except streaming is the only viable option due to how content licensing works. You could do slow (200Kbps) download of content you plan on watching in the evening while you're at work, but because of restrictive licensing the cost becomes prohibitive ($10-40/night to rent and watch the same thing as on Netflix)
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