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Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

nhangen wrote: post #46
zaraflan wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comcast/Verizon/AT&T/et al already have terrible reputations. They also have dominant local monopolies and the legislative power to defend them.

I disagree. Here in Florida, Verizon FIOS has an excellent reputation and the product is far superior to the other choices we have. It's also the first place I've lived where I have choice (Brighthouse being the other player). Time Warner and Comcast are definitely among the worst though, and I suspect that if the OP is correct, it won't be long until Verizon joins them.

>Verizon FIOS has an excellent reputation and the product is far superior to the other choices we have.

Well, that's the crux of the problem, isn't it?

The shitty TWC service I pay for is probably far superior to the more expensive, 500kbps, line-of-sight based wireless network of the only other competitor I know of in the area. Not exactly a glowing testimonial though, is that?

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by senthil_rajasek »

colinbartlett wrote: post #14

I would not take some offhanded remark from an outsourced, minimum wage, offshore worker as confirmation of anything.

How did you conclude that this was a "remark from an outsourced, minimum wage, offshore worker" ? The author was talking to a Verizon customer support.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by Guvante »

lucb1e wrote: post #143
rhino369 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not being throttled. There is a peering dispute between netflix's CDNs and the ISPs. Netflix's CDN's don't want to pay for delivery to the ISP. Normally CDNs peer with each other for free if the balance in each direction is equal. The problem is that any CDN that delivers netflix is hugely unequal since it's a huge one way stream. The ISPs could just eat the cost, and let it be delivered for free. Or Netflix's C…

Umm wait, isn't such a dispute exactly what we call net-neutrality? Consumers pay ISPs for internet access, and now ISPs also want money from websites that provide a service to the consumers. But filtering those websites until they pay the ISP to be let through is the opposite of net neutrality. If what you're saying is true and ISPs are asking Netflix (or subsidiaries) to pay them to be let through unthrottled, then…

Not related at all. This is about how the low levels of the internet share connectivity.

Net neutrality is about stopping the ISP from artificially decreasing available bandwidth. These kinds of things adjust the real bandwidth available.

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Post by kevinchen »

cbaleanu wrote: post #115
colinbartlett wrote: post #14

I would not take some offhanded remark from an outsourced, minimum wage, offshore worker as confirmation of anything.

The title of this article is also very misleading. Did not find any reference to the neutrality law in the article.

Verizon throttling AWS has nothing to do with net neutrality?

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Post by wmf »

padseeker wrote: post #55

How do we, IT savvy people capable of monitoring, testing and verifying this stuff, use our collective skills to monitor each ISP and communicate who is doing the best/worst job? As long as there is at least one ISP provider who is not throttling traffic, we should reward that ISP that does not discriminate on web traffic, and punish the ones that do. You might have to show some differences across different regions a…

Check out these projects: http://projectbismark.net/ http://www.fcc.gov/measuring-broadband-america https://www.samknows.com/

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Post by dublinben »

twoodfin wrote: post #136
jkrems wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you offer unlimited bandwidth and it's not working out financially, the solution is one of the two: 1. Increase the price for the subscription 2. Remove unlimited bandwidth for the subscription and go back to volume based models It's pretty simple, really. You offer a product where cost is higher than revenue? Change the product, change your process, or change the price.

I don't understand: If under total load, with every customer pulling the maximum possible bandwidth simultaneously, Comcast could give you 250Kbps, you want them to sell a product that only gives you 250Kbps all the time just so their advertising will be accurate? Like everything else, there's fine print: 20Mbps or whatever is described as a maximum speed, and many people actually see burst speeds that high. But as i…

It is practically and theoretically impossible for Comcast (a residential ISP with asymmetrical connection speeds) to have a balanced traffic relationship with any Tier 1 ISP. Every typical internet behavior of a Comcast subscriber follows the pattern of sending a small request, and receiving a large amount of data (webpages, music, video, etc.) in return.

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Post by spinlock »

padseeker wrote: post #132
kordless wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm with you. The primary problem we'll have is the 'reward' system in locales with only one provider. You'll have to focus on markets with multiple providers. The solution involves building an escrowed Bitcoin fund which does payouts based on provider's aggregate throughput. How that is implemented, I have no idea.

I was thinking a lot simpler - keep tabs on each ISP in each market. Determine who has the least discriminatory network. Once enough data is collected you can make recommendations. ISP X is the best, ISP Y is the worst, anyone who cares needs to switch from ISP Y to ISP X. No bitcoin needed. You can have a coordinated event, a cancellation day where all users of ISP Y cancel on the same day and switch to ISP X. Make…

I love the idea of a coordiated switch day. That makes management take notice.

Re: Verizon Using Recent Net Neutrality Victory to Wage War Against Netflix?

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Post by netneutrohno »

colinbartlett wrote: post #14

I would not take some offhanded remark from an outsourced, minimum wage, offshore worker as confirmation of anything.

Yup, Verizon confirmed that it isn't throttling anything.

http://bgr.com/2014/02/05/verizon-throttling-netflix-amazon-...

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Post by awakeasleep »

spinlock wrote: post #141
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The basic problem is that a linear increase in bandwidth for the customer results in an exponential increase in costs for the ISP > N * (N - 1) =~ N^2 (assuming full duplex links, which would be generally correct for the internet) 1) N^2 is not exponential, it's polynomial. 2) Expanding capacity isn't even N^2, it's just linear. If you double each residential customer's bandwidth, you "only" have to double the capa…

Thank you. I'm glad to see that hn still knows what exponential growth is. It really bugs me when people abuse the term.

I think people get confused by the Startup rule of Descriptive Speech which states that all growth is exponential, all interfaces are gorgeous, and all teams are composed of A players.
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