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Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by devcpp »

sethish wrote: post #124
davexunit wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'd be really happy if Firefox convinced me to stay, as I really love what Mozilla is doing for the web community. If you love what they are doing then I urge you to stick with Firefox in the future. Firefox is the only major browser that is free software. Chrome is proprietary and sends a lot of your data to Google. Google entices a lot of programmers with their developer tools, but it's not worth trading freedom f…

Chromium, the open-source-only version of Chrome is also a viable option.

Well, davexunit did say "Firefox is the only major browser that is free software". Chromium is arguably a very minor browser.

Besides, if you would like take a tiny amount of market share from Google (thereby weakening their ability to set standards such as the W3C's "EME" DRM, which they support), you know that using Firefox is the right thing to do.

It also shows Google that you're not buying into their free/nonfree paradigm that discourages developers from making apps/extensions not approved by Google's stores.

Also, Chromium OS, as distributed by Google, is not free of surveillance mechanisms such as the omnibar. You'd first have to audit, hunt and remove these features, or trust a third party to do this job for you.

Besides, in my experience, there are fewer good FOSS extensions in Chromium, in particular anti-surveillance ones, but that depends on what extensions you want.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by JetSpiegel »

kybernetikos wrote: post #117
zebulom wrote: post #86

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Then Mozilla Thunderbird, then TortoiseGit, then TortoitseSVN, then Sublime Text Editor, then Notepad++, then Notepad++ informs me there is an update of a plugin that I never use, then VLC media player, then Google Chrome, then Oracle VirtualBox, then Visual Studio proudly announces a service pack, then Windows informs me that it wants to reboot in 10 minutes.

I strongly dislike the fact that almost every single piece of software wants to also install some kind of always running service to manage updates. It should be an OS hook that programs can use when they are first installed, and can be completely managed by the user if they care.

Like some kind of package manager?

On Windows? Good luck with that!

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by t0mislav »

jakub_g wrote: post #129
t0mislav wrote: post #123

Is it possible to map cmd+1 for next and previous tab and cmd+2 for next tab? Tried everything, with no luck. :/

There's keyconfig extension (it's not available on addons.mozilla.org) that could help you. http://mozilla.dorando.at/keyconfig.xpi http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=72994

Thanks!

Re: Firefox 27 Released

#134

Post by cpncrunch »

azakai wrote: post #122
cpncrunch wrote: post #120

Nice that canvas dashed lines are now working, but there are still a lot of html5 features that either aren't implemented or are buggy: audio recording with getUserMedia sometimes turns off after a few seconds, drag+drop images from another website isn't implemented (only file upload from your own computer supported), no screen sharing. I've had to put a "try chrome if you have problems" message at the top of our app…

> chrome is currently the only browser that fully supports all html5 features. Well, no. No browser fully supports all HTML5 features. It's all a work in progress. I guess your app happens to use features present in chrome, but other browsers lead in other areas. Off the top of my head, firefox had webrtc binary datachannels (important for multiplayer games) earlier. And a comment above mentions ES6 generators as wel…

Basically Chrome supports all of the HTML5 features that we use (audio/video, drag+drop, screen sharing), whereas firefox doesn't. Perhaps there are features that firefox supports that chrome doesn't, but I haven't come across any.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by keeperofdakeys »

devcpp wrote: post #131
sethish wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chromium, the open-source-only version of Chrome is also a viable option.

Well, davexunit did say "Firefox is the only major browser that is free software". Chromium is arguably a very minor browser. Besides, if you would like take a tiny amount of market share from Google (thereby weakening their ability to set standards such as the W3C's "EME" DRM, which they support), you know that using Firefox is the right thing to do. It also shows Google that you're not buying into their free/nonfre…

Chromium isn't a "minor brower", it is Chrome. Nearly all the code that does any real work is developed as part of Chromium, google just throw a few patches on top to make Chrome.

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by kbrosnan »

cpncrunch wrote: post #134
azakai wrote: post #122

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> chrome is currently the only browser that fully supports all html5 features. Well, no. No browser fully supports all HTML5 features. It's all a work in progress. I guess your app happens to use features present in chrome, but other browsers lead in other areas. Off the top of my head, firefox had webrtc binary datachannels (important for multiplayer games) earlier. And a comment above mentions ES6 generators as wel…

Basically Chrome supports all of the HTML5 features that we use (audio/video, drag+drop, screen sharing), whereas firefox doesn't. Perhaps there are features that firefox supports that chrome doesn't, but I haven't come across any.

Drag and drop has been supported since Firefox 3.5. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DragDrop/Drag_and_D...

Screen sharing via get user media was added in this release Fx27, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742832

Audio/Video support has been in Firefox since Firefox 3.5 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Usin...

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by gaius »

joveian wrote: post #72
erichurkman wrote: post #67

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How's My SSL? [1] now reports "Your SSL client is Probably Okay." for Firefox 27. Awesome! [1] https://www.howsmyssl.com/

An error occurred during a connection to www.howsmyssl.com. Peer attempted old style (potentially vulnerable) handshake. I don't think I would trust their judgement about how my SSL is doing. I am happy about this Firefox release; it is not just that you had to be an advanced user to get TLS 1.2 previously but that doing so would break over half the web. Now it is possible to use TLS 1.2 where available and not use i…

Maybe that was it probing you?

Re: Firefox 27 Released

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Post by cpncrunch »

kbrosnan wrote: post #137
cpncrunch wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically Chrome supports all of the HTML5 features that we use (audio/video, drag+drop, screen sharing), whereas firefox doesn't. Perhaps there are features that firefox supports that chrome doesn't, but I haven't come across any.

Drag and drop has been supported since Firefox 3.5. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DragDrop/Drag_and_D... Screen sharing via get user media was added in this release Fx27, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742832 Audio/Video support has been in Firefox since Firefox 3.5 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Usin...

As I said in my original comment, firefox supports drag+drop uploads, but not images from websites. You can drop an image from your hard drive, but you can't drag an image from another website. Chrome lets you do this.

Tab sharing isn't screen sharing. Chrome lets you share your entire screen, not just a tab.

As I said in my original comment it is getUserMedia audio that is buggy on firefox (it cuts out after 5 seconds), not audio in general. Luckily there is a hack to get it working: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/984179. Looks like it might be a garbage collection bug - it's not seeing the reference to the input device from the script processor node.

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