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Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by coolsunglasses »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #91

Interesting coverage on themittani site http://themittani.com/news/b-r5rb-biggest-battle-all-eve Eve irritates me because I really enjoyed World of Warcraft. I would have much rather Blizzard had stayed on target rather than make many of the changes they did. The advantage of a place like Eve is that space is really really big, and in a planet based environment it sometimes is hard to be that big. But the cool thing…

I played Eve for over 3 years, including as part of large alliances in some (now historical) wars.

It never stops being tedious & boring and it never stops being an economic grind.

My dream is for a space game that's actually fun to play and explore in, but allows the same richness of player interaction/cooperation.

Maybe someday.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by talmand »

sanswork wrote: post #73
talmand wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The statements in the article disagree with your numbers. It was stated that one side had lost 18-23 titans and had destroyed more than 40 titans on the other side, with "more to come". I guess we could debate semantics over what "lying around" means in this case, but it seems to me that the big corps have access to a large amount of titans if they are losing them in those numbers. They don't even seem to be particul…

Some members of those alliances still certainly have titans. But the alliances themselves don't have them laying around to redistribute to those who lost them and it will be difficult for them to replace them since the build time on a titan is over 2 months each and there are not that many builders in game capable of making them.

I wasn't supporting the notion that corporations have "hundreds" of titans sitting around waiting to be activated. I'm just saying that I would double or triple your number and I would be more likely to agree.

The last report I saw suggested over 70 titans destroyed. You don't commit that many highly expensive ships to a battle unless you can replace them, or you are really really desperate to keep that system.

Also, keep in mind that this is apparently just another skirmish in a war that's been waging since October where dozens of Titans have been lost so far.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by na85 »

lifeformed wrote: post #90
pinaceae wrote: post #34

i'll be "that guy" and fuck, i'm a gamer. imagine that all this energy, time, effort and cash would be spent on some tangible issue. the revolution in ukraine, a movement for civil liberties. there are very creative minds at work within EVE, reading the mittani is amazing. those guys would run circles around the organisers of, say, occupy wall street. to put it dramatically and over the top - the world is burning and…

Yes, if instead of coding trivial web apps we all became doctors, the world would be a better place, right? Creativity and talent aren't fungible resources that you can just decide to apply to whatever is most noble. If you put a top level EVE player in charge of Occupy Wall Street instead, do you really think he'd have the passion and interest to do as good of a job as he does in EVE? People are good at what they li…

I know you're being facetious but the world actually would be a better place.

Refugees from war torn regions need medical care, not yet another JavaScript framework.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by cdash »

this_user wrote: post #79
mathattack wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to fly a titan, you can do it within two years (or less) if you are smart about it. Now THAT'S a commitment!

There are literally people who will invest months of their time to infiltrate an alliance, gain trust, rise in the ranks to then inflict the maximum amount of damage possible (a practice known as 'awoxing' after a character who made it popular a long time ago). This has lead to a level of paranoia among certain people that it would probably be easier to get a job at a Fortune 500 company than one of those groups. Fur…

They also have implemented anti-spying features into the communication channels such as hiding watermarks on forum pages that identify the user account of the person logged in. That way if you took a screenshot and distributed it then they could identify who the leaker is.

http://onebit.us/x/i/IxuCXyZK8m.png http://onebit.us/x/i/cAk6RKogxR.png

I think they also used unicode characters as another method, so they would catch you if you copy and pasted text or took a screenshot.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by sanswork »

talmand wrote: post #112
sanswork wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some members of those alliances still certainly have titans. But the alliances themselves don't have them laying around to redistribute to those who lost them and it will be difficult for them to replace them since the build time on a titan is over 2 months each and there are not that many builders in game capable of making them.

I wasn't supporting the notion that corporations have "hundreds" of titans sitting around waiting to be activated. I'm just saying that I would double or triple your number and I would be more likely to agree. The last report I saw suggested over 70 titans destroyed. You don't commit that many highly expensive ships to a battle unless you can replace them, or you are really really desperate to keep that system. Also,…

I'm getting the impression you might not play the game actively. With that in mind let me assure you that as both a player and a super capital pilot that yes they are used without easy ways to replace them regularly. Even if you can afford to replace them straight away build time cuts into that an no alliance can afford to have 70 titans sitting around waiting as replacements. The side that dropped sov in this has had near immunity with using their super capitals as the other side was more risk adverse with them. The other side decided that this was the time to go all in and they happened to win. One of the sides is believed to have a small cache of titans for rainy days. The other side isn't.

Dozens is also high for how many titans have been lost in this conflict. It's been going on for a while but from what I can remember the number is actually less than 12 up to this point with no other real super on super fights.

Another point is that at this level most of the people are just looking to finally use their titans in a fight. When you fly a titan for most alliances almost all you will ever do is bridge other fleets so its not hard to convince titan pilots to get into a fight.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by mason240 »

na85 wrote: post #113
lifeformed wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, if instead of coding trivial web apps we all became doctors, the world would be a better place, right? Creativity and talent aren't fungible resources that you can just decide to apply to whatever is most noble. If you put a top level EVE player in charge of Occupy Wall Street instead, do you really think he'd have the passion and interest to do as good of a job as he does in EVE? People are good at what they li…

I know you're being facetious but the world actually would be a better place. Refugees from war torn regions need medical care, not yet another JavaScript framework.

I can't spent 4 hours every Saturday tending to the wounded in Syria like I can with maintaining my side projects.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by chrizz »

coolsunglasses wrote: post #111
ChuckMcM wrote: post #91

Interesting coverage on themittani site http://themittani.com/news/b-r5rb-biggest-battle-all-eve Eve irritates me because I really enjoyed World of Warcraft. I would have much rather Blizzard had stayed on target rather than make many of the changes they did. The advantage of a place like Eve is that space is really really big, and in a planet based environment it sometimes is hard to be that big. But the cool thing…

I played Eve for over 3 years, including as part of large alliances in some (now historical) wars. It never stops being tedious & boring and it never stops being an economic grind. My dream is for a space game that's actually fun to play and explore in, but allows the same richness of player interaction/cooperation. Maybe someday.

Star Citizen from Chris Roberts:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by inopinatus »

unoti wrote: post #85
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eve has prettier graphics than Dwarf Fortress, though, :p

True! And Dwarf Fortress has more action, less waiting around. Eve Online is often like the real military: wait for 2 hours for 80 other people to show up, then travel for 2 hours, then wait, and then the operation gets cancelled, and travel back home for 2 hours. And you trained for 6 weeks before the event to make it all possible. Never happens like that in Dwarf Fortress!

Eve's client is lightweight enough to run two or even three instances simultaneously.

So back when I played regularly I would do that (i.e. fleet manoeuvers i.e. nothing much) on my main character whilst running missions/ratting/managing production or sales with my "carebear" alternate character, or alternatively running around neighboring systems in a cloaked covert ops ship, scouting on behalf of that same fleet. All with Excel and other crucial management tools open on another screen, of course.

If you let it be so, playing Eve is not unlike running a small business and is perfectly engrossing.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by baking »

gojomo wrote: post #106

I wonder, is this sort of war good business for CCP, the Icelandic company running Eve? (Do they want more of them, or battles of a particular size/character?) On the good side, I see: • adds excitement/unpredictability/plot • generates outside publicity • ups demands for in-game goods But on the bad side, perhaps: • destroys long-cherished items/positions, weakening interest/attachment • losing side feels sting of l…

It's all upside for CCP.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by YokoZar »

motdiem wrote: post #17

Related: this episode of TLDR "RIP Vile Rat" has some tidbits on the diplomatic system in EVE, and interviews with the Goonswarm leader. http://www.onthemedia.org/story/tldr-11-rip-vile-rat/

I do wonder to what extent the massive outbreak of war can be blamed on Eve losing its top behind-the-scenes diplomat.
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