Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history • Hacker News Board

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by antihero » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 4:28 PM UTC

mattmanser wrote: post #14

davidw wrote: post #4

It actually looks like a pretty cool game - the description reminds me of Elite brought up to today's standards. I can't help but think of this, though: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/online_gaming

It's nothing like elite. The combat involved in this battle is sorting a list by name, double clicking a square and then pressing F1. Once that square disappears, double click another square and then press F1. Oh, I forgot, you might align your camera in a direction of a different square, which represents a local planet, and double click. Occasionally, and especially if your name starts with an a, the whole screen wi…

You're forgetting the singsongs and guitar playing on TeamSpeak. But other than that, spot on!

I was part of the BoB Goonswarm war, back when we were fucking up Lotka Volterra. It must have been what, 5-6 years ago now?

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by antihero » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 4:28 PM UTC

mattmanser wrote: post #14

davidw wrote: post #4

It actually looks like a pretty cool game - the description reminds me of Elite brought up to today's standards. I can't help but think of this, though: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/online_gaming

It's nothing like elite. The combat involved in this battle is sorting a list by name, double clicking a square and then pressing F1. Once that square disappears, double click another square and then press F1. Oh, I forgot, you might align your camera in a direction of a different square, which represents a local planet, and double click. Occasionally, and especially if your name starts with an a, the whole screen wi…

You're forgetting the singsongs and guitar playing on TeamSpeak. But other than that, spot on!

I was part of the BoB Goonswarm war, back when we were fucking up Lotka Volterra. It must have been what, 5-6 years ago now?

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 4:29 PM UTC

kriro wrote: post #31

It's the videogame that reminds me most of "Ready Player One" which is a pretty fun read. One of my life goals is to do some studies on EVE (most likely economics). I'll convince someone it's a good idea eventually :) Edit: Maybe do a study on terror cells and get military funding :P

Fun fact: intelligence agencies actually got funding to infiltrate into MMO's because there might be terrorist communications in there. Or something.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/09/tech/web/nsa-spying-video-...

Eve is a valid subject for an economics research though. It'll be doubly fun if you can join up with a large corporation and engage in market schemes; pump & dump, blocking supplies / trade routes, social engineering, or doing your own ponzi scheme. The good part is that none of these are illegal in Eve, so, knock yourself out.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by TeMPOraL » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 4:32 PM UTC

pinaceae wrote: post #34

i'll be "that guy" and fuck, i'm a gamer. imagine that all this energy, time, effort and cash would be spent on some tangible issue. the revolution in ukraine, a movement for civil liberties. there are very creative minds at work within EVE, reading the mittani is amazing. those guys would run circles around the organisers of, say, occupy wall street. to put it dramatically and over the top - the world is burning and…

> to put it dramatically and over the top - the world is burning and the brightest minds play games. sort of an inverse ender's game.

Well, you can look at the games like EVE as a big social simulations - they're sandboxed worlds very much resembling the real one, but they iterate faster and you (i.e. the authors) can alter the constrains and see what happens. I think MMOs should be studied in greater detail.

People wasting time is a sad thing, but failure to learn from any good data that comes out of it is also sad.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by unoti » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 4:34 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #78

bsamuels wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to recommending people to EVE, the following rule of thumb has been effective: If you enjoyed playing Dwarf Fortress, you'll like EVE Online. @That one other guy: When most people want to fly a titan, they don't bother training a character and just buy a titan pilot on the sanctioned character trading forum, so training time is rarely an issue for experienced pilots.

Eve has prettier graphics than Dwarf Fortress, though, :p

True! And Dwarf Fortress has more action, less waiting around. Eve Online is often like the real military: wait for 2 hours for 80 other people to show up, then travel for 2 hours, then wait, and then the operation gets cancelled, and travel back home for 2 hours. And you trained for 6 weeks before the event to make it all possible. Never happens like that in Dwarf Fortress!

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 4:40 PM UTC

rockdoe wrote: post #60

Tloewald wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me the novelty wore off in about an hour. Discovering that you it takes (significant) time just to spend skill points so that you can fly the new ship you just bought that it will take you (significant) time just to go and pick up in a game where pretty much all the game play consists of clicking on lists and waiting. I think it's great the EVE has such an entertaining meta-community. I suspect it's precisely bec…

From quick reading: 1) I agree the time-based skilling isn't necessarily a good thing. 2) You didn't seem to realize you could get your stuff FedExed, by any of the player-operated services. The latter illustrates the good point of the game: there's enough leeway/sandbox aspects that this is actually possible. This, and not the game being slow and dull are why it has a large following. There's plenty of slow and dull…

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Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by Shish2k » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 4:41 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #77

somnium_sn wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there is a huge misconception of how eve works. It's not really necessary to fly one of the big ships nor train them. But then I started 2 years ago and have 2 super carriers and a titan. It's about getting into the right corporations find the right source of ISK and play the game the way you want it. If you want to fly a titan, you can do it within two years (or less) if you are smart about it. However what…

Yeah, this pretty much. A misconception when one looks at the game from outside is that "bigger = better", i.e. a Titan is the best ship in the game and one should strive towards it, just like someone should strive to the max level in WoW or any other MMO because that is the goal of the game. Not so in eve. Usually, big ships can't hit smaller ships, or do effective damage. A Titan on its own is pretty useless, and i…

> Frigate-sized ships, which cost a thousandth of what a titan cost

60,000,000,000 / 500,000 ~= 100,000th (and 100x more fun, IMO :P)

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by Dirlewanger » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 4:43 PM UTC

pinaceae wrote: post #34

i'll be "that guy" and fuck, i'm a gamer. imagine that all this energy, time, effort and cash would be spent on some tangible issue. the revolution in ukraine, a movement for civil liberties. there are very creative minds at work within EVE, reading the mittani is amazing. those guys would run circles around the organisers of, say, occupy wall street. to put it dramatically and over the top - the world is burning and…

I'm still awaiting a startup to gamify the political process and getting involved with civic duty. Sadly only then would we see people give a shit about politics.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by zeidrich » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 4:45 PM UTC

untog wrote: post #52

JesseObrien wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There has to be something about space that makes people toss money at videogames. Which is a damn travesty when people won't throw money at space in real-life. Other than a few huge backers (Musk, Branson) that have loads of money to hinge on this stuff, no one seems to care or pay attention.

Well, that $37.5m can create a huge online world. It could probably create a couple of rocket components in the real world.

It means I get to fly in space. Whether a 30 million, 30 billion, or 30 trillion dollars were to be invested into real life space research, there's about a 0% chance that it will let me fly in space.

That said, the more interest there is in space in concept, the more popular it might be to fund actual space flight research in reality.

Re: Eve Online wages largest war in its 10 year history

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Post by lifeformed » Tue, Jan 28, 2014, 4:47 PM UTC

pinaceae wrote: post #34

i'll be "that guy" and fuck, i'm a gamer. imagine that all this energy, time, effort and cash would be spent on some tangible issue. the revolution in ukraine, a movement for civil liberties. there are very creative minds at work within EVE, reading the mittani is amazing. those guys would run circles around the organisers of, say, occupy wall street. to put it dramatically and over the top - the world is burning and…

Yes, if instead of coding trivial web apps we all became doctors, the world would be a better place, right?

Creativity and talent aren't fungible resources that you can just decide to apply to whatever is most noble. If you put a top level EVE player in charge of Occupy Wall Street instead, do you really think he'd have the passion and interest to do as good of a job as he does in EVE?

People are good at what they like doing, and there's no reason to be bothered over the fact that they aren't passionate about what you think they should be doing.