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What is really happening in Ukraine

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Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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Can't watch any of the videos linked because youtube asks me to sign in to prove my age. And to sign up, it asks for cell phone number to send an SMS to verify. Perhaps because I use tor. Anyone have a usable source?

If you have the viewtube greasemonkey plugin, you can download the video from youtube and upload it somewhere else (e.g mediafire, zippyshare). Would be good if someone does that.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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I heard that there are a lot of nukes in Ukraine and the last thing the world wants is those split off into separate hands. I would harbor a guess that the US would rather have those nukes in the hands of Russia, who is a known evil but rational, vs someone else entirely new. I read on Stratfor that Russia does not want Ukraine to become independent because it's basically the "soft underbelly" leading into Russia. It…

Uhm, Ukraine is an independent, sovereign country. Comparing Ukraine to Texas makes no sense.

Some Texans wouldn't agree with you :)

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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My guess is that, since Russia is no longer a top global power, this area is not a priority for the US now. Georgia lies in more strategically important (lots of oil around) and fragile region, while saving the Ukraine would be mostly a favor for Poland and rest of EU (not to mention Ukrainians).

For many polish people still remembering the war times, effectively sharing a border with Russia again would be a big issue. I haven't been following news in pl for a while, but I'm sure there's a lot of pro-eu-ukraine sentiment present. There was definitely a lot of it during the orange revolution some time ago. Edit: just checked, is not hard to find neutral articles, but all the others are pretty much against the…

Poland already shares a border with Russia, so it doesn't matter. The support for the revolution seems mostly to come from a sort of post-collonial thinking that Ukrainians will praise Poles as saviours and the former sea-to-sea glory of the Polish Empire will be reinstituted. How naive, sadly.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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Not another piece of news that makes the protesters seem like pure white knights that peacefully protest... Can we have some news about Ukraine that isn't totally biased, please?

You can find tons of alternative views, with little effort. But let me save you some time and present the brief summary here: the protesters are, in fact, not all white knights.

Moreover, it is by now rather clear that they don't all smell like roses and talk like fairies. More than one breach of gentlemanly conduct have been reported by independent sources, and I think it is now safe to say that each and every of them has some kind of agenda and personal goals.

Now what? Does it mean that they have no right to protest? Or that they should stop fighting and go home until they reach perfect enlightenment? What does being or not being white knights have to do with the matter?

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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Frankly, this "presentation" feels like a 13-year old made it for his homework assignment. Poor language skills, not many details and unreliable evidence. I got to the 10th slide and gave up. This is definitely not something I would use to form an opinion on the current situation in Ukraine.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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This is propaganda and has no place on Hacker News. Anything that says 'Civil War Has Been Ignited", when there is no civil war YET, is war mongering for some cause.

It is certainly biased, but >100 people think it is interesting and its also something that hasn't be reported on very well by other media.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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`undercover police throwing molotov cocktails` -> citation needed.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/riot-police-throw-petrol-bombs-duri...

You didn't answer the question - mathetic was asking about the Istanbul protest. (And the police in your photo aren't undercover.)

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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I heard that there are a lot of nukes in Ukraine and the last thing the world wants is those split off into separate hands. I would harbor a guess that the US would rather have those nukes in the hands of Russia, who is a known evil but rational, vs someone else entirely new. I read on Stratfor that Russia does not want Ukraine to become independent because it's basically the "soft underbelly" leading into Russia. It…

> I heard that there are a lot of nukes in Ukraine You should re-evaluate how you acquire information and which sources do you trust. You could have found out that this is not true by spending 10 seconds looking it up. Ukraine had nukes, but gave them back to Russia due to US and Russian influence. How many other things do you believe that are flatly not true?

Technically there may be some Russian nuclear weapons in the Russian naval base on the Black Sea, which is leased from Ukraine, but they would be under Russian control.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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How about drone strikes which target and kill a US citizen and his teenage son?

You stood up for your country, then the government hurt you so bad, that you were taken to the hospital, the government then came to the hospital, took you from there, proceeded to undress and torture you. They then threw you out on a cold field to die (it's -14C there). That vs. Walking down the road, boom, a lot of me is missing, shock, I'm gonna die, ouch, ouch, dead. I know which way I'd prefer to go if it was do…

> Walking down the road, boom, a lot of me is missing, shock, I'm gonna die, ouch, ouch, dead.

More like, hide out in Yemen for 10 years organizing violent jihad against the United States and protecting Al Qaeda members from the Yemeni government, then walking down the road...

It's tremendously demeaning to political protestors in Ukraine to compare their situation to people like Al Awlaki.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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I also grew up in central Ukraine and have my close relatives there. As much as I despise the current government, I must say that this "beautifully done" presentation is completely one-sided, unbalanced, and manipulates with both real and made-up facts. And, this is always non-constructive and even dangerous. The situation is much more complicated. I am really afraid that this is going closer and closer towards a civ…

> I must say that this "beautifully done" presentation is completely one-sided, unbalanced, and manipulates with both real and made-up facts. OK... How?

I am biased against the Ukrainian government, but this entire thing reads as a propaganda piece so much I can't trust a single 'fact'. It uses lots of appeals to emotion with vague, subjective terms. To anyone biased to support the government, its not exactly persuasive is it?
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