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Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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post #11

Why don't you guys split Ukraine into two parts? The western part (pre-WW2's part of Poland) is pro-western, speaking Ukrainian, the eastern part is mostly inhabited by Russians that gravitate towards Moscow. Why nobody suggests this solution?

Because the issue is not west vs east. Ukraine spent lots of time divided this way over the centuries and no it does not work any better than splitting the US into red and blue states.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

#32
post #19

I also grew up in central Ukraine and have my close relatives there. As much as I despise the current government, I must say that this "beautifully done" presentation is completely one-sided, unbalanced, and manipulates with both real and made-up facts. And, this is always non-constructive and even dangerous. The situation is much more complicated. I am really afraid that this is going closer and closer towards a civ…

> I must say that this "beautifully done" presentation is completely one-sided, unbalanced, and manipulates with both real and made-up facts.

OK... How?

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

#33

I heard that there are a lot of nukes in Ukraine and the last thing the world wants is those split off into separate hands. I would harbor a guess that the US would rather have those nukes in the hands of Russia, who is a known evil but rational, vs someone else entirely new. I read on Stratfor that Russia does not want Ukraine to become independent because it's basically the "soft underbelly" leading into Russia. It…

Nukes were transferred from soviet republics to Russia exactly because western world didn't trust newly founded random goverments.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

#34
post #11

Why don't you guys split Ukraine into two parts? The western part (pre-WW2's part of Poland) is pro-western, speaking Ukrainian, the eastern part is mostly inhabited by Russians that gravitate towards Moscow. Why nobody suggests this solution?

Why don't Americans split the USA into two parts, the red one and the blue one?

The Confederacy you mean? I seem to recall there was a bit of a problem with that...

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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I heard that there are a lot of nukes in Ukraine and the last thing the world wants is those split off into separate hands. I would harbor a guess that the US would rather have those nukes in the hands of Russia, who is a known evil but rational, vs someone else entirely new. I read on Stratfor that Russia does not want Ukraine to become independent because it's basically the "soft underbelly" leading into Russia. It…

I'm curious as to what you mean when you say Russia is a "known evil." Are you alluding to real life? Movies? The Cold War? It would seem that true rationality and evil have little to do with one another.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

#37
post #6
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a civil war because a lot of Ukrainians speaks Russian and want a "Russian" Ukraine.

There is little connection if any between people speaking Russian and those wanting a "Russian" Ukraine. I come from russian-speaking part of Ukraine myself and hardly anyone here supports current government.

Seconded. Russian is my first language. I do not support this government.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

#38

I heard that there are a lot of nukes in Ukraine and the last thing the world wants is those split off into separate hands. I would harbor a guess that the US would rather have those nukes in the hands of Russia, who is a known evil but rational, vs someone else entirely new. I read on Stratfor that Russia does not want Ukraine to become independent because it's basically the "soft underbelly" leading into Russia. It…

Ukrainian here.

Ukraine gave up on its nukes in nineties in exchange for military guarantees from US, NATO and Russia. No warheads, no enriched uranium (has been given away by the current president in exchange of nice handshakes with US at the beginning of his term).

Russian leaders are trying to restore its Soviet era, where Ukraine used to be the second most populated country after Russia itself. Clearly, this is a big deal for them. Location wise is not that important, all Baltic countries are way closer to Moscow.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

#39

Why do some keep calling it a civil war instead of a revolution? Sure, the government has hired/collaborated with non-government people to cause trouble/beat up the protesters, but which tyrannical government doesn't do that during a revolution? They all do it.

Because the descendands of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv_pogroms perpetrators will want an ethnically pure Ukraine. And East/South of Ukraine will not allow it. US state department is interested in the break up and pushing west ukr down the throat of EU(Germany) which really is not interested in that right now (EU is going down with PIIGS, but US needs even weaker EU with +50mil dirt poor Ukrainians with extremel…

Oh, bless you. Just don't forget to open your mouth to breathe.

Re: What is really happening in Ukraine

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I heard that there are a lot of nukes in Ukraine and the last thing the world wants is those split off into separate hands. I would harbor a guess that the US would rather have those nukes in the hands of Russia, who is a known evil but rational, vs someone else entirely new. I read on Stratfor that Russia does not want Ukraine to become independent because it's basically the "soft underbelly" leading into Russia. It…

> I heard that there are a lot of nukes in Ukraine

You should re-evaluate how you acquire information and which sources do you trust. You could have found out that this is not true by spending 10 seconds looking it up. Ukraine had nukes, but gave them back to Russia due to US and Russian influence.

How many other things do you believe that are flatly not true?

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